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Originally Posted by acdcguy

I never said TLJ killed Star Wars. Again look at the first paragraph of this response to you. Again I state you are speaking purely based on emotions.

You may not, but others have, *plus* you seem to think Star Wars is somehow already dead. But go ahead, continue thinking you've destroyed me with "facts" and "logic".

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Not at first. George Lucas expected it to flop. He only got toy sales because Fox also expected it to flop so George was like why not keep the toy rights if Fox doesn't want them? And about killing franchises, just because something is still around doesn't mean it's a thriving entity. For example Voltron never truly went away. It's had many different toy and series incarnation from the original Japanese anime GoLion and Dairugger to it's most recent incarnation on Netflix. Its toy license has hopped around from Bandai to Mattel to Playmates. It peaked in 1984-1985 and quickly became overshaddowed by Transformers and later Power Rangers. It's effectively a dead franchise. Other examples include The Jetsons and The Flintstones. Two well known Hanna-Barbara properties (now owned by Warner Bros.) that have never left the public eye but are nevertheless dead franchises that don't appear anywhere in entertainment besides niche projects. Star Wars in terms of a narrative died with Attack of the Clones. The films financially have diminished since Solo. Toy sales are also down. If Disney doesn't do something the franchise could face obscurity. That's what death of a franchise means. It doesn't mean it disappears. It means it stops being a cash cow, so merchandising diminishes.

Flintstones and Jetsons are nowhere near on the scale of Star Wars, it's a moot comparison. "In the public eye" is purely as something ancient. They're shows remembered mainly for nostalgia value, rather than having continuing relevence to the modern day. No-one under the age of about 40 treats the Flintstones as anything but quaint nostalgia (or maybe a Siivagunner joke or comic book) but Star Wars has always been popular. Same with Voltron, except it got brought back. Literally no-one my age was aware of Voltron except maybe mecha fans until the netflix show - even I only had a vague idea of what it was. I lived through the time you said Star Wars was "dead" as a teen, and I'm telling you that you're mistaken. Just because you don't like ROTS and the sequls, doesn't mean the films are narratively dead. Hell, I'm not even sure what you mean by that.

And if you really think Star Wars is going to head to obscurity... really? Ewan McGregor returning has gotten nothing but popular response, same with the Mandalorian. Cartoon fans are excited for Clone Wars Series 7. Star Wars toys are easily findable on toy shelves over here. The fact this threas is active again is proof of some popularity still existant (instad of it being full of people going "they're still making these, huh?) Again, just because you seem to dislike it doesn't mean it's dying. And as Tali said, TLJ made 1.3 billion dollars. That's not just "people wanted to see TFA2" money, because if it had sucked, people wouldn't have bothered seeing it (See Godzilla 2 for example).

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44% audience score. If the film in a franchise doesn't connect with audience then it fails to add to the franchise. Narratively it did nothing either.

Almost like certain groups of people are liable to spam something with dislikes if it features women and/or minorities. Plus, people are more likely to complain than praise on these websites.