[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Magnugiga

I think it's equally true that the show condemns their attitude while also wanting us to sympathize with them by making sure we understand where they come from. It's not like they're Scissors or Gai; at this point of the series, I perceived them as two confused kids who just need a good mentor figure, an 'experienced senior that genuinely cares about them' type, to straighten them up. Which is... yeah...

I just found them unusually sympathetic, these two knuckleheads. I think the mentor thing, it's maybe part of the problem? They've both got versions of success that they've put in their heads, what it'll mean to succeed. A lot of that is because of what they've been taught by society, the people they looked up to. If anything, I think the fact that they've only got each other to rely on now, maybe there's less pressure on them? It feels like a better support system for them than another mentor telling them how to behave.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Dunno if you haven't read my reply above (because you were busy typing ep. 43) or have read but can't add anything, I especially want you to understand the Shinji part.

I did read it, yes! I didn't really have anything to say about it, though. Sorry! It was good!

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

And also an oopsie for Kitaoka... Asakura was wounded and knocked unconscious, while the excuses of Riders not killing each other throughout the series was Mirror World time limit (and psychological/physical effect to them)... not this one. This situation should've been an extremely easy kill for Kitaoka with any way like henshin and shoot him, or even at the very least, turn him into police again.

Yeah, but then it'd be cold-blooded murder, and... I just don't think Kitaoka's that guy? Or, at least, he isn't anymore, if he ever was.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

The book Toujou reading was The Metamorphosis by Kefka.

I did want to bring this up, but I forgot. It is criminal that a franchise with a sprawling number of characters that turn into bugmen gave a copy of Kafka's Metamorphosis to a tigerman. So close!

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

If you have sympathy for them, why do you think that it's well-deserved for Shinji to beat Sano up?

Someone can earn something and it can still be sad to see them receive it. Plus, it's basic cause-and-effect storytelling. Of course Shinji's going to want to pound Sano after a betrayal that lead to Yui's disappearance. Shinji's very trusting, but he's got a well-established temper. Sano popping out of a floorboard like everything's cool, that's going to set Shinji off for sure. Just because I found Sano and Toujou sympathetic doesn't mean I'm going to forgive all of their bad decisions, nor am I rooting against Shinji.

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Originally Posted by Magnugiga

Nope. Toujou is 25, Sano is 21 yeah the youngest but he's the same as Shibaura age-wise. Sanako is 45, and her actor Kazue Tsunogae has passed away in 2018 (So you also use wiki to gain more informations? Well for starter the wiki refered Sanako as grandmother). Here's full info for the character's ages t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶Y̶u̶i̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶1̶9̶.̶

Weird, there are a ton of errors on that page. All of the Riders were born on the exact same day to 13 different mothers. (The studio was forced to cast all of them if they wanted any of them, that's why there are thirteen Riders in Ryuki.) Auntie's definitely only 22. I'll contact the webmaster at once to get that corrected. Thanks for bringing this to my attention!