[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Kurona

I think it's especially weird to me because... while I just joked about it, the nature of the Rider Battle is such that you could easily say some other Riders died before Scissors, or maybe even by Asakura off-screen. It might come off as a little odd, especially when part of the excitement in the moment is seeing a lot of new Riders turn up... but you've made specials and movies for these guys! It's okay!

Though, like, admittedly; while Verde and Femme are isolated enough for that idea, it'd definitely stick out as pretty weird for "by the way, uh, Mirror World Evil Shinji is something that existed, and he's dead now". Frankly it's what made it especially weird for me when he turned up in the 13 Riders Special; he's treated as just another random Rider when like-- no! He's so clearly visually linked to Ryuki, that's- weird! You can't just not comment on it!

It's something I've thought a little about, because you have such a built-in solution of starting the series through Shinji's eyes, when the Rider Battles have already been running. We see Shinji get a Card Deck and form a Contract, but him and Asakura are the only ones. Everyone else, who knows how long they've been active, who they've fought? One line of dialogue of Shibaura saying he'd killed a few Riders, or Tezuka lamenting that he couldn't save X amount of other Riders, boom, sewn up. Super weird to have that sitting right there and never use it.

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Originally Posted by Kurona

I do want to say though, just while it's on my mind and while I remember that I said earlier I wanted to talk about it later: Alternative not being classed officially as a Rider is fine to me because, well, in the context of his own series, that is very explicitly the case. In terms of other definitions including franchise-wide ones, scientist who creates his own system based on evil to fight for justice and the sake of the world? That's... uh... the plot of Build, actually, and I think Sento'd be pretty happy to talk things out with Kamen Rider Alternative. But by Ryuki's definition of what a Kamen Rider is, it makes sense to me that he's not considered one. ... even if he is one of three masked heroes that gets their own bike.

Yeah, I think Alternative and Tackle get to exist as Rider-adjacent because Toei knows how much doing so will infuriate fans, keep them engaged. I certainly enjoy riling people up on occasion, so I can't really fault them for it.