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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Oof... what if people (not talking Asumu) respect Hibiki because of the cool stunts he done (and.. including in human form)?? Other kind of ordinary heroic acts probably won't receive similarly awestruck reaction from people, such as donating.

I mean, they could, but that's not what I'm seeing in the end credits. That's a dude who is admired and respected for his innate goodness.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

But with Hibiki never falling apart, he can set the bar for becoming responsible a bit too high, it can potentially make those under his wing end up with inferiority complexes and/or serious envy when they can't measure up.

That's true, but I think his demeanor is so charming and self-effacing (he's clearly making a joke of how much he got hurt by that giant crab) that he doesn't create unrealistic expectations of competence in Asumu. Like, the whole point Hibiki makes is that he's not supernaturally great, he just worked really really hard. Working really hard is something that's well within Asumu's grasp, which is what's so motivating to him at the end.

Hibiki's presented as extremely cool, but that I'm Pretty Well-Trained catchphrase frames his actions as attainable with hard work. I think that's important!

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Uh no, no offense but don't throw those terms randomly. Hibiki is heroic because his actions benefit the people around him; like saving them from Makamou. What is the benefit Asumu's actions for people? It's his personal struggle to overcome. It's a journey yeah, but heroic isn't the word to describe it; heroic is doing actions that benefit the society around you. Asumu's is protagonistic tale, but as said in Faiz thread, role =/= alignment, protagonist just means main character, the viewpoint, which Asumu is.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I think Asumu's struggles, and the way he overcomes them, are heroic. It's everyday heroism, when we find some inner strength to be a better version of ourselves, to live up to the hopes of ourselves and others.

And, not to get ahead, but 7 is all about how something as personal as Asumu getting into his choice of high school makes so many people happy, and has an impact beyond Asumu's life. We All Succeed Or Fail Together is a pretty common theme in Kamen Rider stories.