[DreadBringer]

Ok. Mada mada. I've been in conflict within myself onto touching the 2nd half of Hibiki or not, it has taken a long time like this, and of course the people's feedback (and likely mine based on previous stance) of it for good reason, but probably regardless of that, more knowledge within KR stuff is important for discussions, but gotta skim through those in a less wasting time way.

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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 30 - “PREMONITION OF TRAINING”

"Stupidly broad", for the part of what you describe for that is more about how he's talented at everything, that's more like some full-stop wish-fulfillment characters that authors like to create as something to self-insert into, which got the label of "Mary Sue" (for girls), or "Gary Stu" (for boys), albeit the term has been misused severely by the fandom to bash on any character they don't like (to me those people lack of actually using their brains; all bark and no bite). For this to seem like a "new thing" with challenging himself, dunno, Asumu has come up to the terms of a horrible shoplifter previously, he's just a minor character, so he won't have as much screentime as Kiriya, but he shouldn't have any less impact to Asumu just because he doesn't have much screentime. And for well-trained person part, it's obvious, the Takeshi which inspires Asumu.

And as Kiriya is a reviled character for a plausible reason, like contaminating the purity of the series that has been established previously (and doesn't mean there are no bad behaving people like that shoplifter or to a lesser extent, Danki) as Switchblade said, and as he talks about how horrible behavior makes him interesting while Asumu's is boring in comparison, I'm afraid this will be not only something you blindly agree upon, but also be exalted and glorified, which happened on many occassions in real life or internet (where this is the place where behaviors can go unrestrained in real life or fiction - but the thing is how people respond), like for instance, mocking anyone who hate/can't stand Kiriya or similar type of characters as someone who's boring, stagnant, fragile, loser, etc., and deserves mistreatment (they can shittalk those people to no end, cuz apparently if you're "boring" you deserve torture), and I see those people who belittle those that can't stand these type as potential bullies (or plain supporters) themselves, some occassions had those people who can't stand shitbags as too sensitive to justify the bullies' behaviors. Another case is also forcing people to enjoy the toxic conflict of Kiriya and Asumu, for similar reasons as above (as you once claimed "conflicts as definitely the most memorable", and it sounds like claiming that as fact when it's clearly subjective, and other than I'm trying to explain about types of conflict, that also should be exemplified in for example, Switchblade stated them about Kiriya vs previous Hibiki).

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I think the biggest change, narratively, is how we're shifting from the drama being an External thing to an Internal thing? These are no longer purely good people who are working together in a nice, friendly way. They're Inoue characters now, so they're going to frequently be petty, or rude, or mean, or lazy, or or or. Even the jokey Hibiki thread in this one has a beat where Ichiro and Hinaka play up their illness to get out of work. That's a dick move!

Had this been the way things were from the start... well, a lot of folks didn't seem to love Faiz, so I'm not sure the appraisal would've been that different. But I think there'd be less of a feeling that the characters Aren't Right, which can only help.

And Sh Ranger also stated about how they wouldn't want other shows to be just like Faiz, and a lot of shows had qualities of their own and that's what makes them unique (this part of Hibiki has infested various medias recently, outside Kamen Rider, this means turning Hibiki into more mainstream), and making Hibiki more like Faiz in later part as detriment to most people and even to him. And they've read my mind which was about, for example a way to make Hibiki series hellish, Hitomi going full yandere and kill Akira after noticing her with Asumu. And for what you said about Asumu to Hitomi, the solution being making Asumu a total creep in approaching her like someone such as Kaido (that was what some people said, as Mari was only 16, and for his fans, the sole thing they dislike from him).

And another thing is, other than Inoue's characters being petty, rude, mean, etc. the good natured folks existed to be his punching bag and made as inferior to those shitbags. And by that, it can come off as offensive too and I wish that not to be glorified, it seems like the author being a bully in their writings to project those harassment or in their writings instead. These are claimed to give development and challenge, but "as dark and intense as possible", doesn't necessarily equal to really good character arc or development, as some people called out. This is when dark ventures into edgy territory, and those that indulges on it are called edgelords (they're bad person, just not threatening due to them being all bark no bite though).

Appraisal would be different probably because, making them be petty, rude, mean, etc. just for the sake of hellish world would make them insanely OOC, and that ventures into edgy territory.

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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 31 - “SURPASSING FATHER”

The thing for deceased father is that, usually (not all), father is the one who works to gain incomes for family, and mother is the one who spends time at home to develop the child, by that it seems that both genders complete each other in raising a kid. Having only a mom would potentially lead to difficult income, having only a dad would potentially lead to lack of time with parents, not meaning that raising by alone is impossible, but still that'd be the impact of losing either one. And for Asumu's plot of learning about his father is, and finding the strength... I don't think that's what people complain about the 2nd half of Hibiki, that pretty much stays like the 1st half of Hibiki of the Asumu's conflict within himself, and not about, sometimes forced fights with others (this is kind of a bad and uncreative type of writing, resorting to make the characters do stupid, impulsive decisions just so a "plot" can happen).

With Kiriya's success at school and his skills, but with his father issues that haunted him no matter what, bad moments will plausibly lead to that I know, but I knew a character who also had huge success, and when little, gone through trauma like this. He's not a bad guy, but kind of someone who was given a free pass by some fans with one of the reasons being of those trauma (being cool also doesn't help), regardless of how his state is now. But the counter statement was that a troubled past alone does not a woobie make, especially when you're far cry from that time, like enjoying a massive success on school.

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KAMEN RIDER HIBIKI VOLUME 32 - “BURSTING WITH SONG”

Eh? So heavy humor not having real dramatic impact wouldn't make it stick in your brain... And as you said yeah, we never met Kogure before, I wonder if Kogure is a late new addition that is somehow very integral to the cast, where he was never brought up before, which is a potential retcon, or already planned before. Kogure is a parody of stern disciplinarian, but he comes off as really standoffish, he just seems to be very self-centered, hypocritical, and self-righteous; he regularly calls out others for what he thinks is misbehaving towards him, but he likely always thinks of himself in the right and has full rights to punish anyone in any ways he like, that's far from being a role model (where the story or Takeshi seems to view him as). Personally I find it hard to believe that Takeshi learned from him and setting himself as an example, given how well adjusted they're at first half of Hibiki, and how self-righteous Kogure is. And your problem being leaving Asumu with nothing to do there? Yeah, that's one of people's complaint about the 2nd half of Hibiki.