[DreadBringer]

OK can you give an answer regarding my reply about Kageyama the worst part and the others?

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While Kageyama is obviously horrible, I also want you, or just anyone, to acknowledge other character's horrific part of them, even if they're someone enjoyable. Like Kageyama is horrible for what he did, but don't overlook horrible things did by a character like Sengoku in Gaim or consider people like him better morally just because he's someone enjoyable (and no offense, but I think if someone, even if rightfully, talk about character's horrible behavior but rationalizes those that they enjoy even if they're as horrible, I don't think they have a right to talk about morality).

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

It is so utterly random that Kageyama trots out his medical training (???) to ruin Daisuke's life. Of anyone in the show to deliver that news, it's so perfect that it comes from Kageyama gleefully destroying Daisuke's future.

Daisuke comes out so great in this that, if I'd watched 17 and 18 back-to-back, I'd've probably not even noticed what an asshole he was in 17. He's so heroic, that it's easy to forgive his earlier awfulness.

...which, honestly, is why I'm glad I watched them individually? 18's great, no mistake, but the story of 17 and 18 has some real weird decisions in the first half that the second half mostly ignores. It's... the plot ends up being sort of janky, but the character work more than makes up for it. Still! 17 had problems!

I think it seems like a bit of a stretch to say "so heroic" for Daisuke here. On series like Blade you were able to point out that Tiger Queen was nice to Mutsuki, but didn't love humans, hence not actually the "good ones". Daisuke, ep. 17 aside, cares greatly about Gon, and to any women, but he's completely apathetic towards anyone else. I don't know if Daisuke would go through it with his plan to kill Tendou if by impossible luck he had Tendou on his ropes, but to have a thought about killing others, even for something you cherish (I know this stems from Kageyama's threat), even Tendou also pointed out that there are better ways to save her.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

Well, this isn't random, it's a villain plot. I'm definitely okay with bad things happening to characters in a story if the villains are doing it to further their goals, like ZECT is here.

Hmm ok, so you do take the random word literally in this case; that it means llterally random and out of the place events like bad events but it just happened to be inflicted to the characters that are known to the audience. But not if it's done by a major character with clear aim and has clear reasons for specifically targeting someone that is a part of the cast (the scene talked about here in Blade; Miyuki was actually the arc villain for episode 20-25; Blade was divided by arc villains).