[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

The guy playing Suzuki went on to play a regular role in Decade. I won’t say who, since I’m not sure it qualifies as a spoiler (most people don’t think things in the first episode count as spoilers). And as mentioned, his dad is Chalice (which as one person pointed out, combined with Otoya being in the scene, kills the emotional impact the scene might’ve had).

Having seen the Decade/Double movie a few years ago, I sort of think I know which character you're talking about, but I appreciate you being coy about it in case I'm wrong. You can't see it, but I'm giving you a big Thumbs Up right now.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

And let’s not get into the film just having Negataros having a time train and Castle Doran having the ability to travel through time purely so we can have a battle in the sands of time.

Yeah, there are a whole bunch of That's Not How Den-O Works stuff in the movie, and that's outside of how much we don't know about Negataros's deal. (He's like all the worst parts of Gaoh and Kai's villainous plots?) I didn't really feel like cataloging them all, because the bigger problems to me were in theme and pacing and plotting and just basic storytelling. Going after the lack of internal consistency to Den-O's superhero mechanics or whatever... that would've a) taken me all night, and b) been like criticizing someone who set their house on fire for also forgetting to turn off a light in the hallway. With everything this movie got wrong on Day 1, it didn't feel productive to complain about the later problems.

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Originally Posted by Androzani84

I’ll point out that, as someone who watched the Den-O movies before the show, and not in chronological order, this was my first (and for a time, only) experience with Takeru Sato. Compared to the various leads other Den-O movies went through (they seemed to be drawing names out of a hat), he didn’t do much for me here.

Ooof! Hell of an introduction to Ryotaro. I'm sorry! This was not in any way a showcase for his acting talents or that character's charm. He is less useful to the plot than Yuuto and Suzuki, and less fun to watch than Owner and Hana. It ain't his day!

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Originally Posted by dreamcastegirl

Despite enjoying the Den-o show, I think this was the movie where I really began to like the Imajin in that they began to function more like the monsters at the end of the movie Labyrinth, just popping up and breaking the rules of the end of the story.

This was the movie where I could feel the baton pass from Ryotaro to the Imagins, narratively. He doesn't feel in charge in this one, really. He's just one more part of the team. Even when Den-O has to defeat a villain in the end, it's not Liner Form that gets used; it's Climax Form, the All-Imagin Form. The amount of screentime the Imagins get put them neck and neck with Ryotaro, and their roles in the final fight put them way ahead of him.

It feels like there's a dual awareness in the making of this film: Ryotaro's story is over (and/or the actor is sick of doing these), but the Imagins can definitely keep going. It's a subtle shift, but you can see it in how minimized Ryotaro is in this story. This is a toe in the water of Den-O Without Ryotaro.

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Originally Posted by dreamcastegirl

This post is a huge Den-o digression, I'm so sorry.

I accidentally posted a Den-O movie in a Kiva thread, so I don't think it's you who needs to apologize.

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Originally Posted by tomos

Imagine how interesting a teamup of Kabuto and Den-O could have been, or a full-length Agito and Ryuki lol

This is pretty much what I was hoping for! I was all jazzed up to see the first Heisei crossover film, and instead I got a non-canon guest appearance and a silent team-up! Not at all what I was hoping to see, on a lot of levels.

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

I mean, I guess Chalice is in it? That's pretty neat, I guess.

Always a treat to see the Tiniest Rider!

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Originally Posted by Fish Sandwich

Climax Deka sure ain't great! Really hope you weren't counting on me to come in here and give some massive counterargument on that!

If you could've found something to praise in this misbegotten embarrassment, I'm not sure if I'd've been impressed or furious. Glad we didn't have to find out!

(And thanks for the notes on this thing's production! They explain a lot!)

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Originally Posted by Kurona

Yeah, just another Den-O fan walking in here to say Not A Good Movie! Best I can say for it is that I find it so forgettable I can't recall anything that makes me outright dislike it, so I'm just like I Don't Care. About the only thing I remember is that Kiva and Climax Form teamed up? I guess? Who cares, really.

While I don't think I'm ever going to forget the premise of this film, I can't imagine the plot or character bits are going to lodge in my sieve of a brain. The absolute best parts of this film would qualify as B- episodes of Den-O, and those aren't worth dwelling on.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

You changed your mind?

The perils of going into stuff blind: I did not know that this was as relevant to Kiva's story as the Fourze summer movie was to Wizard's story! Sort of assumed that they'd give Kiva more to do! Definitely regret watching it instead of another episode of Kiva! The next one is called "Unfinished: Daddy Fight", and I assure you I am more excited to watch a Kiva episode called DADDY FIGHT than any other option that exists on this big blue marble that's spinning through space! Much like the construction and execution of Climax Deka, I made a series of cascading errors!

This is is the last Den-O thing I plan on watching until Kiva's done, though, and I'll probably end up crossposting this movie post to the Den-O thread for, like, completion's sake.