Integration

Kamen Rider Die · 06-15-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

So you think Jirou needed an arc like Alain where he sees the error of his ways and resolves to become a better person? I guess that might have made the scene work better. However, it's probably okay for that to be water under the bridge after 7 episodes. Even though he didn't do much to redeem himself, he did ultimately accept Yuri's feelings for Otoya and spare their lives, so he does have some heart deep down.

I think one of the morals of this episode is about how holding on to grudges and letting hatred fester can have a toxic effect on a person. Yuri shows an admirable amount of maturity and wisdom by being able to forgive and forget. By doing that, she was able to share her burden with the others and that's probably why Otoya decided she was mentally prepared to finally use IXA.

I don't know if any of this can convince you. Maybe we just have to agree to disagree here?

Sure, I don't really love revisiting one of the most problematic stories that Kiva's done to date. I am totally fine to move on from this one!

I'll just add that:
-I was using "Forgive and Forget" sarcastically, since the show never gives Yuri a scene to confront Jiro. It's the narrative opting to ignore a terrible action, and that's way worse to me than if they'd contrived some redemption arc for Jiro or some forced acceptance from Yuri.
-I feel like saying that Yuri needing to not hold a grudge against Jiro is a stretch? For one, it continues to make the resolution dependent on Yuri changing to accommodate her attacker, which, no. The other problem is that I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot in this story that's about letting go of anything, since it's largely about a bunch of men telling Yuri and Megumi what their motivations are and getting them pretty much entirely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I haven't talked much about the 2008 side of the fight, since I thought Yuri's was more emotional, but I will praise Megumi for destroying Rook using Burst Mode, showing once more how superfluous Rising is.

And they said Megumi wasn't good enough to be IXA! She's the best IXA they've had yet!

06-15-2021, 01:42 PM	#586
Kamen Rider Die Kamen Ride Or Die Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,792	Quote: Originally Posted by Sh Ranger So you think Jirou needed an arc like Alain where he sees the error of his ways and resolves to become a better person? I guess that might have made the scene work better. However, it's probably okay for that to be water under the bridge after 7 episodes. Even though he didn't do much to redeem himself, he did ultimately accept Yuri's feelings for Otoya and spare their lives, so he does have some heart deep down. I think one of the morals of this episode is about how holding on to grudges and letting hatred fester can have a toxic effect on a person. Yuri shows an admirable amount of maturity and wisdom by being able to forgive and forget. By doing that, she was able to share her burden with the others and that's probably why Otoya decided she was mentally prepared to finally use IXA. I don't know if any of this can convince you. Maybe we just have to agree to disagree here? Sure, I don't really love revisiting one of the most problematic stories that Kiva's done to date. I am totally fine to move on from this one! I'll just add that: -I was using "Forgive and Forget" sarcastically, since the show never gives Yuri a scene to confront Jiro. It's the narrative opting to ignore a terrible action, and that's way worse to me than if they'd contrived some redemption arc for Jiro or some forced acceptance from Yuri. -I feel like saying that Yuri needing to not hold a grudge against Jiro is a stretch? For one, it continues to make the resolution dependent on Yuri changing to accommodate her attacker, which, no. The other problem is that I'm not sure I'm seeing a lot in this story that's about letting go of anything, since it's largely about a bunch of men telling Yuri and Megumi what their motivations are and getting them pretty much entirely wrong. Quote: Originally Posted by Sh Ranger I haven't talked much about the 2008 side of the fight, since I thought Yuri's was more emotional, but I will praise Megumi for destroying Rook using Burst Mode, showing once more how superfluous Rising is. And they said Megumi wasn't good enough to be IXA! She's the best IXA they've had yet! __________________ Coming soon: Kamen Rider Fourze \| Other series available on the archive!