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Kamen Rider Die · 06-28-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Though for pragmatic? Well you only said that it improves through individual action, but you didn't elaborate on what kind of action. AFAIK I think what pragmatic means is when you'll constantly dirty your hands to get the job done, which'd put them into morally questionable territory.

I meant "pragmatic" more as "achievable" than anything else. Trying to single-handedly change multiple societies is probably out of reach for the kids watching Kiva, but finding a way to feel comfortable in your choices? And supporting your friends, so they can feel comfortable in their choices? That's something any kid can work to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Dunno, actually, this was a part that I glanced about Wataru, that he wants peace between humans and Fangires. but this would reaffirm my stance of Wataru being not a personal-driven person like most other lead Riders. Wanting peace between humans and Fangires is the type of goal that is the "justice, empathy, support" kind, and I think, despite what you said above, this is the 'thinking at big scale' kind of goal?

Well, let's keep in mind that Wataru's altruistic goal to bridge the worlds of Fangires and humans didn't occur to him until he found out that he was half-human and half-Fangire. There's probably a small to medium amount of selfishness in this new goal, which is why he completely misses the fact that no one's in favor of it besides the only character on the show who is a human/Fangire hybrid.

I think Wataru generally wants to make things better for everyone (he's a sweet boy), but that "everyone" didn't include Fangires until he saw himself as part of their culture.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Nago changing his stance about Kiva/Wataru was something that is already established before! The first time Nago learned that Wataru is Kiva.

I more meant that is was surprising that Nago would go against orders so blatantly to protect Kiva. That's a pretty big deal for Nago!

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Kamen Rider Die Kamen Ride Or Die Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,936	Quote: Originally Posted by DreadBringer Though for pragmatic? Well you only said that it improves through individual action, but you didn't elaborate on what kind of action. AFAIK I think what pragmatic means is when you'll constantly dirty your hands to get the job done, which'd put them into morally questionable territory. I meant "pragmatic" more as "achievable" than anything else. Trying to single-handedly change multiple societies is probably out of reach for the kids watching Kiva, but finding a way to feel comfortable in your choices? And supporting your friends, so they can feel comfortable in their choices? That's something any kid can work to accomplish. Quote: Originally Posted by DreadBringer Dunno, actually, this was a part that I glanced about Wataru, that he wants peace between humans and Fangires. but this would reaffirm my stance of Wataru being not a personal-driven person like most other lead Riders. Wanting peace between humans and Fangires is the type of goal that is the "justice, empathy, support" kind, and I think, despite what you said above, this is the 'thinking at big scale' kind of goal? Well, let's keep in mind that Wataru's altruistic goal to bridge the worlds of Fangires and humans didn't occur to him until he found out that he was half-human and half-Fangire. There's probably a small to medium amount of selfishness in this new goal, which is why he completely misses the fact that no one's in favor of it besides the only character on the show who is a human/Fangire hybrid. I think Wataru generally wants to make things better for everyone (he's a sweet boy), but that "everyone" didn't include Fangires until he saw himself as part of their culture. Quote: Originally Posted by DreadBringer Nago changing his stance about Kiva/Wataru was something that is already established before! The first time Nago learned that Wataru is Kiva. I more meant that is was surprising that Nago would go against orders so blatantly to protect Kiva. That's a pretty big deal for Nago! __________________ Currently rewatching: Kamen Rider Fourze \| Other series available on the archive!