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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

See, and this is a curious question here. I think the thing is, when it comes to Tokusatsu, the reason I entered it, is because it scratches a certain itch that I've had for the longest while. And also it has to do with how I grew up.

The thing is, I could really care less about drama's in general? Like no matter what country they're from, I don't really find myself engaging with them for two main reasons.

1. Tokusatsu shows like Ultraman, Garo, Sentai, Rider, Metal Hero, minor ones, they just scratch the itch of Superhero shows. See the thing is while mostly growing up, the live action hero shows I loved were Power Rangers. So that influenced me greatly and while I did enjoy the MCU as I got older, I still had a soft spot for what I thought were super cool live action heroes via Power Rangers. So the general Tokusatsu medium in general is built for exactly that purpose.

Funny thing is that I watched tokusatsu because of Asian TV dramas, I credit not only Power Rangers, but I also credit Hong Kong TV dramas (both wuxia, and modern from 1980's), and old Taiwanese dramas (dubbed in Vietnamese, before English subtitles became the norm) for helping me branching out to tokusatsu and K-dramas (and wuxia TV dramas from Mainland China, and other foreign TV dramas I'm watching). So yes, I'm probably one of the few people to TokuNation forum to be able to watch both K-dramas and tokusatsu (although I watch wuxia dramas from Hong Kong, and Mainland China).

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Originally Posted by Kurona

I'm... unclear what debate is going on here, at the moment?

The thread title is "Do you want Tokusatsu to become mainstream", but we're going back and forth between "why do Toku people not watch K-dramas" and "Is PR good international Toku representation"? I dunno, a bit confused here...

What part are you confused about Kurona?

Let me explain, the problem is that people in the US are watching more foreign-language international TV dramas on streaming (thanks to Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, etc...). Yet tokusatsu's fanbase in the US has not jumped during the same time that Korean TV dramas, and other non-English foreign language international TV dramas (that does include non-toku Japanese language TV dramas) are getting.

Netflix has been picking up K-dramas, and foreign language TV dramas for the last few years. After the last post in 2018, I've noticed and saw Netflix (and other streaming providers) picking up more and more foreign language dramas. You don't see Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney+, or HBO Max picking up tokusatsu (not counting Netflix's Ultraman CG anime series, nor the Kamen Rider Amazon re-imagining on Prime Video). I'm talking about Netflix not picking up any obscure or lesser well-known tokusatsu shows. I don't see Netflix or Amazon Prime Video picking up any simulcast toku shows, yet I'm seeing Netflix since 2017/2018 simulcast Korean TV dramas, but not tokusatsu or anime, doesn't it bother you or anyone in toku fandom?

I'm kinda surprised that GARO has not been made avaliable on streaming like Netflix where it could get big audiences on there.

Yes, it really bother me that tokusatsu fans aren't being alarmed about people watching non-toku foreign language shows (ie: K-dramas, wuxia C-drama, European TV dramas, etc....) on streaming like Netflix, Prime Video, HBO Max, etc....

Also, when Netflix (or any streaming provider) viewers in the US are watching fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas that borderline to tokusatsu territory and not branching out to tokusatsu shows like Ultraman or Kamen Rider, doesn't it bother you that K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas are taking away potential fans of tokusatsu.

That's why I revive this topic it's because this topic need attention due to new evidence of American audiences watching more foreign TV shows/dramas on streaming.

I forgot to include this article from Deadline Hollywood from Dec 2020, and let me quote this article:

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Finally, as Netflix continues to ramp up its international commissioning strategy, it’s clear that English-language viewers are interested in watching shows with subtitles. The Platform, Barbarians and France’s Rogue City were the most popular foreign-language shows, while it saw a big jump in Korean drama, up 100% in the U.S. with Kingdom’s second season and The King: Eternal Monarch becoming its most popular favorite K-dramas.

See if people are watching foreign TV dramas on Netflix, then why is tokusatsu aren't getting the same type of love and no jump (or traffic) in toku fandom despite the popularity of non-English language TV shows on Netflix. Why are people that are watching K-dramas, wuxia C-dramas, and non-English European dramas aren't branching out to tokusatsu or give tokusatsu a try.

I expect someone that watched fantasy/sci-fi K-drama like Kingdom, Arthdal Chronicles, or School Nurse Files or even fantasy wuxia dramas like Legend of Fuyao, or Ice Fantasy to have branch out to Kamen Rider, or Ultraman or Super Sentai. I don't see any of that. I don't see any overlap between tokusatsu fans nor K-dramas, wuxia drama, and European drama fans. I don't even see toku fans helping fans of Ice Fantasy to migrate to Ultraman or Kamen Rider.

That's why I revive this topic yesterday because of the new evidence of US English-speaking audiences watching foreign TV dramas on Netflix, and other streaming sites. I expected people on this forum and this thread to have a debate and trying to figure out why are the same English-speaking audiences that are watching foreign TV dramas which include sci-fi/fantasy K-dramas, and wuxia C-dramas aren't branching out or discovering tokusatsu shows.

And nobody on this forum or any toku circle can't answer or debate why tokusatsu aren't getting the same love or gaining general audiences that non-toku and fantasy/sci-fi foreign-language TV dramas that borderline to tokusatsu are getting today. The topic is do you want tokusatsu to be mainstream and majority of you said yes. But now seeing new evidence that English-speaking audiences are watching more foreign-language TV dramas and films, this is a good time to revive this topic and try to figure out why the same people that watch fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas and wuxia C-dramas on Netflix, and Prime Video aren't branching out to tokusatsu shows.

Do you understand, or get it? Doesn't it bother you that fantasy/sci-fi K-dramas, wuxia C-dramas, and other sci-fi or fantasy non-English language TV dramas are getting more fans and general audience then Kamen Rider,