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Do you want Toku to become more mainstream
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07-02-2021, 09:41 PM
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TheRaizin
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I'll have to request to stop the private messaging now. I'm going to make my final one here and it'll be where it ends for me and I'll stop dwelling on it. I'm going to
try
simplify it a lil bit for my sake too, by attempting to separate your questions.
1.
I never seen any toku fan help K-drama fans branch out to tokusatsu shows. I've seen K-drama fans branch out to Taiwanese dramas, Chinese dramas, but not tokusatsu shows. I've seen fans of K-dramas branching out and watching Ice Fantasy, but not Kamen Rider or Ultraman.
- You have to understand that it's easier for K-drama fans to swap between Taiwanese, Chinese, and Japanese dramas because of their genre. The general audience might not care what country is the show from, as long as they get their story of love, tragedy, comedy, etc. It helps these are all asian shows with appealing taent in nature. Kamen Rider, Sentai, Ultraman is different because it's an entirely new territory of super heroes in suits, the main focus isn't who's the actor, though it may help. The focus are the toys and the heroes.
Again, navigate the culture.
Maybe you might see people branching out from Toku to other dramas, Garo might be that bridge, but it's a very rare occurrence because the demographic is clearly different.
2.
it's because some of these fantasy/sci-fi K-drama and wuxia C-drama would have caused tokusatsu fans discussing and talking about should these be considered as tokusatsu.
There may be discussion, albeit vary obscure. I don't most are going to think which ones are toku or not, since the main view is that Ultraman, Rider, Sentai, Garo, Gridman, etc are the ones considered Toku. People in very bright costumes with heavy use of special effects, tales of super heroes. That's the general view.
3.
You're telling me that no K-drama or wuxia fans branch out to tokusatsu, and you're telling me that no toku fans have made no attempt to help K-drama and wuxia fans branch out to tokusatsu shows.
May be an obscure occurrence that only happens in smaller social circles. It'll be rare for such fans to communicate with one another in connecting to one another, as they'll barely relate or maybe one side will not reciprocate the assist of the other. The common K-Pop/Drama is largely different from a Kamen Rider fan. An overlap may be more common if that fan has relations to someone who is a fan of the other and the two communicate about their interests.
Example: A Drama fan may take interest in Atsuhiro Inukai, especially because of his involvement in dramas. A Toku friend recommends them Kamen Rider Build, one where he is prominent. The drama fan can answer in three ways. Either they become disinterested and just watch his other works, watch Build but ignore the toku elements and focus on the role of Inukai (this has a chance of them dropping the show), or actually watching Build and enjoying it. I find the 1st and 2nd option more likely.
I had an English teacher whom was a fan of Kamen Rider Black (obviously lmao) and K-Dramas as well. When I approached him about Kamen Rider, he said he's not watching Rider anymore, and just sticks to K-Drama since it's more 'serious', since these days Rider is "wacky". I tried to persuade him with Zero-One, with points like "Look! He's a grasshopper again! Look, this, that, this". I failed to convince him. Maybe Rider just looks childish to a lot of people now.
4.
Also doesn't it bother you that Netflix are not picking up tokusatsu shows from Japan for worldwide streaming
That depends whether Netflix wants to approach Toei to put their show on the platform or vice versa. Toei's main target audience are japanese children. They're main focus is them, their shareholders, the profits and revenue, depend on them. As I said before, their secondary market is likely the rest of Asia, like SEA. Because there is official distribution. Marketing towards the west, is likely not a big thing for them and is more of a side thing.
"But we buy toys from them too!"
Ah, but let me ask this. Where do you buy them? Amiami? HLJ? Tokucollector? Amazon JP? It's the Japanese companies buying them for stocks and then shipping them to you, only it's your money that's giving them the money to give to Bandai. In effect, the revenues are still Japanese in nature. Official distribution is where one can consider the sales to be foreign, I believe.
5.
Many anime fans in early 2000's branch out to become K-dramas fans because of Korean adaptation of Boys over Flowers, Itazura Na Kiss, and City Hunter, and I assumed many tokusatsu fans would also become fans of K-dramas and wuxia C-drama because in the mind of tokusatsu fans, live-action stuff with martial art from Japan looks cool, so I assume people that watched tokusatsu would likely be the one watching wuxia drama because it had martial arts and tokusatsu-style special effect. But it looks like it wasn't the case and I was baffled.
Like I said, Anime/Manga is a different, larger beast. An anime fan can branch to Drama shows if anime he watched got a live action adaptation and they enjoyed it. A Drama fan can branch to anime if they watched this drama and he saw an anime of it. Anime is an easier pill to swallow as opposed to Toku, especially with the current climate's push to anime.
Here's another thing, yes, a lot of us love to see the action and
martial arts
in Toku. It's amazing to see the suit actors do their thing, but the general audience likely won't care about these details. They want to see the hero beat the bad guy in any shape or form. A bigger fan of stunts and theatrics like that may be able to get catered to by these K/C-Dramas particular to action. But the general fan who just wants to watch the superhero isn't going to watch this K/C-Drama just because this guy can also do it too. The charm of the man in the cool superhero suit is gone.
I hope I answered your questions. These are my experiences with such, and as such some elements may be untrue for some or largely different.
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