[Sh Ranger]

Before I get in to the discussion, I want to make a quick announcement about spoiler-proofing the formatting for my usual Genome and Machine Parallel talk (I renamed it from Remix since it covers Genomes as well). To reduce the chance of spoilers, I'll be embedding links to the corresponding Machines from now on, instead of typing them out. Now the only way you can get spoiled is to hover over or click on those links. I'll repeat this warning whenever it comes up for your convenience.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Sounds like a good prediction. Maybe Genta is Gif and that monolith is a phylactery to keep him alive. So then, like Yuki Joji, the Igarashi siblings are also kids of the Devil?! Deadmans was already pretty creepy with the suit designs, but this takes it to another level!

I said this in the thread for Episode 16, replying to an interesting theory from Blade Fang.

I can't say I called it, since there are a few details I got wrong, but I was pretty close! So the Igarashi siblings aren't quite kids of the Devil, they're his grandkids. While the real Yuki Joji analogy is actually Genta, who is not Gif but was implanted with his DNA, as means "to keep him alive". His heart is connected to his own devil, Vail, who seems to be even more depraved than Kagerou, showing no intention of negotiating with his host. I thought Vail was talking to Ikki about, "the family you always wanted", but based on Buu-san's hint and Ikki's testimony, looks like that part was addressed to Genta instead and he appears to show contempt for Ikki's younger siblings, not even talking to them directly. Only Ikki and Genta.

This makes my recent Olteca theory look even more plausible. Now that we know the Igarashis' relation to Gif, it might give new meaning to what Vail said to him before. "You smell like a devil." Maybe Olteca really is an Igarashi after all!

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Originally Posted by Kiwami

Who gave birth to these kids, grew them within her body and was connected to them for like 9 months though? Three times?

If they wanted to they could easily write in there how some of Gifu's cells stayed with her but I hope they won't, that seems kind of dumb.

Man, that would be some Dekaranger 10 Years After level of plot device nonsense! I'm totally okay with Yukimi just being a normal human.

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Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I'm a little curious about Vice's contract, though. He'll protect Ikki and his family, in exchange Ikki will forget about that day and he won't talk about it? Kind of a weak contract for a demon. Like, literally nothing selfish about it.

If Vail killed Ikki, Vice would've died as well. Vice protecting Ikki is still selfish, even if it wasn't conditional. Not sure why that specific condition though, since it's not clear how Vice benefits from that.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

As Vail left, now Olteca spend the episode trying to blame George for what he did to the Driver, where George was only confused on what's he talking about. I felt that Vail's reveal at last episode does confirm that it wasn't George who manipulated Olteca, but Vail himself, so obviously George would be confused, not lying here. Don't know if Olteca seeing Kamen Rider Vail finally convinced Olteca it wasn't George here other than him running off. Other than that, the episode still further showed his despicable traits by having jaded view of promises being made to be broken and gleefully doing it. With Olteca now losing both his contract and Demons Driver, as well as likely Vail and Giff (or Akaishi, albeit he warned Olteca to keep focus) taking over I wonder if Olteca's end is actually near now and he's more like Sid from Gaim or such, being made as utterly despicable, but far from the top dog and as it's established Sid was killed gruesomely.

For a self-proclaimed genius, Olteca in this episode has pretty much no idea what to do, now that he can't henshin anymore. The way he casually makes more Giftarians is like how someone plays with a toy when they're bored. Even Akaishi seems to patronize him here. And yeah, after Kamen Rider Saber, seeing someone treat a promise as something that can be easily broken really makes me lose respect for Olteca. Sure, breaking a promise might yield short term benefits, but that doesn't mean you should. All it does is make you a liability and turn people against you. If Olteca doesn't have the confidence to keep a promise, then he shouldn't have made it.

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Originally Posted by IndigoArms

Anyone got any Devil May Cry vibes from the backstory of the Igarashi family and how the children have inner devils.

Tekken for me, due to the Igarashis literally having the Devil Gene.

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Originally Posted by Enppu

I just assumed that Vail possessed the driver and flew to Genta. I might remember incorrectly, but didn't we see Vail possessing the driver at Weekend's base?

We sure did!

Genta didn't get the Driver. The Driver got Genta!