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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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03-24-2022, 02:16 PM
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I mean, we don't know if Another Gaim (for example) is going to work out better for humanity than Oma Zi-O or Sougo The Good Despot (probably not as good for dance crews, maybe), which is sort of Swartz'z point. Changing History has unintended consequences any way you try it, so why is Geiz'z version more heroic than Swartz'z? (Not my view, but it's the Time Jacker argument for moral relativism.)
If you're talking about Swartz's plan here regarding Another Gaim, then it's definitely not working out better for humanity. Swartz is an irredeemable villain (and Androzani was right... Asura was worse than even da(m)n Kuroto too), he just... didn't have as much of a power as Ohma Zi-O for now to make that much of a difference. The other Time Jackers aren't much better either like the sociopathic and cutthroat Ora.
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 12 - ?ME X MY STAGE 2013?
Sougo?s fine with both! He?s genuinely happy to see both of his friends doing what they think is right, even if it could hurt and/or kill him. That?s why he wants to be king: so people can be free to do what they think is right. He wants to be the sole arbiter of right and wrong, so no one can tell anyone what to do. He wants to be a Good Despot. It?s, as always,
completely
idiotic. But here, in this episode, it feels sweet and generous. I get why folks like Eiji and Emu would chuckle knowingly at Sougo?s effervescent enthusiasm for unquestioned command. Sougo wants people to work towards the future that makes them happy, even if it?s in opposition to his. He values friendship more than fealty.
There'd be an additional friend for Sougo which is the future/present Sougo to each other here. And as obviously, present Sougo is the first person to completely agree and empathize with what future Sougo intended to do. Sougo's the biggest supporter to Sougo, probably rivaling/more than Tsukuyomi and even Woz. And yeah it's not overconfidence, but Sougo's idealist, and his sentences also often ended with "Kigasuru" (Feels like it). It's totally Sougo's innocence, but he can actually come as creepy/disturbing due to his nature there, in how he can frequently wave off the bad stuff going off to concentrate on what he wants, like how him being quite nonchalant learning that Ohma Zi-O is evil tyrant, and this'd be a case too of him being unaware of the reality of this situation. And regarding what I think of Sougo pretending to be stupid... yeah it'd be what Eiji does too, taking advantage of his homeless status.
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Which is good news, because two of his most trusted friends (out of, uh,
three
) are pretty convinced he?s on the complete wrong path. Geiz is jilted, sure (he just comes home to try and make Sougo feel bad, pretty standard sworn enemy behavior, zero percent weird), but he?s pretty much telling Sougo that an execution is imminent. And Woz! Woz, who is past the point of advising Sougo to knock it off with the friendly shenanigans and is openly collaborating with the Time Jackers to bump off the Time Orphans. We?re definitely in for a rough patch for Team Zi-O.
I mean as I said, Woz is villainous despite that he'd be helping Sougo. Woz is Sougo's ally, but both Tsukuyomi and Geiz's enemy. Woz had bad goal to those 2's good (albeit in pragmatic way for Geiz). It's a dynamic that can be created from a premise of current cheerful hero but is destined to be a tyrannical villain. It's expected for Woz to ally with Time Jackers to finish off the Time Orphans. It's also what Woz did before to goad Sougo into stop helping Geiz for helping him to be Ohma Zi-O. Woz also had dark belief on Sougo that he'd use others as a pawn until he no longer needs them (more on that below). But due to how those enemies flock to Sougo, there are some mutual parts between Tsukuyomi and Woz here, as both chastise Sougo for his well-being, potentially erasing himself with his paradoxical move. Tsukuyomi out of her concern for the currently harmless Sougo (that doesn't deserve Ohma Zi-O treatment, so that's also another reason why she's angry while suspecting there are 2 Sougos) and Woz out of accomplishing his goal.
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This was a pretty great outing for them, though. Not much to touch on from the Legend Riders ? Kouta was less useful here than in Heisei Generations Final, which is
saying
something ? but the rest of the story was a delight. Some terrific gags (there?s a bit where the background music drops out so Tsukuyomi can yell at Double Sougos that things are too confusing right now), and a final battle that utilizes the dual timelines to the most visually-stunning level yet. Everything about the bisected screens was gorgeous.
Kouta had less screentime here, but I guess this 2-parter still showed about how godly Kouta is (not using the term Fruit Jesus, sorry). Kouta is someone that screwed up some part in Woz's plan here. Previously there's about Woz not expecting Sougo to already have Gaim Watch, and how there are now Geiz's name is in Woz's records. And regarding above with Woz believing Sougo will use anyone as his pawns, Kouta gave Sougo an advice to believe in his friends before, to not control them. That'd be probably a path of Sougo not succumbing into villainy like in the original timeline. Other than that, the cuts in the final fight is well-executed agree.
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KAMEN RIDER ZI-O COMPLEMENTATION PROJECT EPISODE 12.5 - “INTERVIEW WITH A TIME JACKER”
Everything about this killed, with Swartz’z incredibly flamboyant egotist setting the tone for the episode. Geiz and Woz matched his wackiness with self-effacing jokes and just a tiny smidge of
burning chemistry
. It was such a blast to watch these three actors make jokes about pre-Christmas character intros and other tokusatsu tropes.
Not only that Kaito noted his hesitation, so Geiz being tsundere is apparently a quite canonically stated fact here. Other than that this is the first time you directly talked about both Woz and Time Jackers here.
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