[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Olteca is human though, right? He doesn't have his Driver or his Giftex form, so Kamen Riders can't in good conscience kill him when there might be a way to spare his life. After all, Ikki's and Daiji's agreement to share the burden only applied to Giftex, before Ikki obtained Volcano Rex's power to save them. Regarding Olteca's capacity for redemption, I can still see it happening, especially now that his tragic backstory has been elaborated on. His father was an a**hole for sure.

No offense but this is an even more blatant double standard between minor and major characters. If it's minor character doing fucked up things like Olteca's dad; then Burn Him Down? But if it's a major character doing fucked up things like Olteca here, far excessing being an asshole his father did; then it's not ok to fully condemn him? While it's true that Kamen Rider can't kill him if he's only human, it's due to them being living being (and human being weak thus it's not necessary) and not because there's good in him as a human? If it's acknowledged that paying evil unto evil is wrong, while the "paying evil" part is wrong but the "unto evil" part would still be there? No need to elevate someone (even a bit, if it's regarding Olteca, of treating as redeemable... while he goes escalating his crime further by stamping a child) to justify not killing them (it also happened in Tennoji for Blade, after he's reverted back to normal human, he had no redeeming qualities with others not being pleased of him being finished by Kanai, due to human but not due to there's good things about him, not about forgiving).

What I perceive as double standard here aside, I'd hope that this shows that tragic backstory here also can be used to flesh someone (him) out, to show where you can see how a character got to where they are, without downplaying their crimes or the consequences (as if those can be written off just by a sob story or something). Also without Olteca being killed if he's a human but putting him in a position that he can't harm anyone (he's teased to get upgrade next episode anyway).

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

It's maybe not something I would have considered before, but if even a guy like Adel could be forgiven for everything he did, then there might still be hope for Olteca.

Talking as if Adel is worse than Olteca or something.... Maybe he gets forgiven because though he did some horrible acts, he didn't reach Olteca's or other irredeemable villains levels' yet? Those irredeemable villains being people like Daguva, Ouja, Kitazaki, Minami, Mishima, Maki, Ryoma, Banno, Masamune, Evolt, Namba, Swartz... People actually like if a redemption story is handled well, such as Alain's, the complaint about Gai is about how forced, late, and rushed his 'redemption' was, not about a redemption going on. Actually I quite wonder if the 'redemption' is related to executive meddling or such, and they wanted to make Gai as despicable as they want, with ever escalating crimes in scale and spitefulness, and likely intending to make him as an irredeemable villain. While KR should strive to be heroic and teach good morals (a̶n̶d̶ ̶I̶ ̶h̶e̶a̶v̶i̶l̶y̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶g̶r̶e̶e̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶l̶e̶s̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶R̶e̶v̶i̶c̶e̶ ̶e̶p̶.̶ ̶2̶3̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶x̶i̶c̶ ̶i̶m̶p̶l̶i̶c̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶e̶), if they want to make Gai redeemable it can be done better not just on the redemption part but on the whole show run.