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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 24 - ?BEST FRIEND 2121?

Now, I really don?t think the show is saying that Sougo?s created Geiz and Tsukuyomi. Metaphorically, I?m not sure it?d help this show to make two of Sougo?s most trusted friends (and, uh, Woz, I guess) into figments of his imagination. Maybe, but it?s difficult. But right now, I kinda like Geiz and Tsukuyomi being slightly unmoored by Sougo?s reality-altering powerset, and how even positive desires ? like friendship ? can have negative consequences when it?s the desire of a god.

Previously, Sougo has come into terms for his inner dark side, but actually this episode now proves again that Sougo wants to become a benevolent overlord. Though the main trio are now conflicted, Sougo still thinks of them as friends when asked who they're, and his actions later were pleading Geiz to save Tsukuyomi even if it results in his future demise. He then protects the children refugees after Kikai went rogue, and saving Kikai later. And it's not like Sougo creates Geiz and Tsukuyomi, the Sougo creating thing only happened when he obtained Zi-O II. Actually his creation is probably the alternate timeline White Woz came from, also coming from his previous dream about Shinobi turning into Kamen Rider, which creates Geiz Revive timeline. The previous Mirror Sougo was about Sougo likely scheming to become Ohma Zi-O, but Geiz Revive timeline may exist because he desperately wants to avoid becoming Ohma Zi-O to the point where he wants someone to kill him. Where now the next dream he does is Kikai via his subconscious fears and stresses about his friends abandoning him, and he unknowingly created that monster now.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

There?s a bit in this episode where Tsukuyomi and Geiz are bickering over Tsukuyomi?s irritating insistence on asking When Are We Going To Get To The Murdering Sougo Factory at all times, and Geiz asks her if she?s seriously willing to trust Hat Woz. She responds that there?s no time to be choosy about where they get help. It?s? I got SO MAD at that response. Her insane point is that it?s okay to trust in Hat Woz?z mysterious motivations, because it?s expedient, but trusting in Sougo ? who, to date, has only used his Terrifying New Power to, uh, save Geiz?z life ? is ludicrous. It?s a terrible argument in favor of executing a friend, and that was the point where I gave up on Tsukuyomi?s current plotline making any sense to me. Just gonna assume she?s the Mirror Tsukuyomi, who destroys friendships and hates empathy. It?s easier for me that way.

I just realized, is your gripe with Tsukuyomi here, a similar one to your gripe on Yuuji's turn on Faiz's finale (Yuuji was outright villainous though)? For her here, wanting to grow out of Time Mom phase (no, this isn't something that I use here to compare with Yuuji), but instead is done on the worst way? But anyway I've said that Tsukuyomi is one of the most hated character in the franchise (t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶s̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶F̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶a̶g̶a̶i̶n̶s̶t̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶,̶ ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶f̶r̶o̶m̶ ̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶h̶e̶ ̶n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶o̶r̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶t̶u̶r̶n̶s̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶n̶o̶w̶), probably you now should understand that better, if not for some episodes before. But as I said before this is real life, writer stuff problem. I guess I understand the complaint here as while Sougo as Zi-O II is terrifying, even as he didn't save Geiz's life, but Tsukuyomi's own life here too, but it's potentially about Sougo shaping the future as he wishes, White Woz is somehow free from suspicions and is apparently viewed as better in her eyes. I mean, she actually was appropriately suspicious for Black Woz before! Whose affable personality is at least genuine and didn't go for the lengths White Woz had! I don't know if White Woz is also meant to conceal his sinister side like Kusaka does in Faiz to the supporting cast, but that'd also meant the series did poor job for White Woz too.

Though other than the Sougo stuff here, regarding Junichiro talking about Sougo being lonely other than the time orphans (Geiz starting from ep. 15) as real friends, Tsukuyomi was still completely amiable and courteous to Junichiro, appreciating him and bowing while thanking him, which is something that is clearly retrained from previous Tsukuyomi portrayals (for "Mirror Tsukuyomi"). There's something worse about Sougo losing his 2 real friends for now, actually it's potentially a self-fulfilling prophecy Tsukuyomi pulled out of fear, that Sougo would be left with Black Woz, which although a friend and helper for Sougo, he wants to create Ohma Zi-O, so Black Woz is essentially Sougo's corruptor (there can be toxic friend influence!) and he'd be more susceptible to that, now by expanding Sougo's dark side inside (which although there, is tiny now to his good) as he accepted it now.

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

I'm still a fan of Tsukuyomi, despite this dumb plot, but I cannot say the same for the Time Jackers! I, uh, completely didn't mention their weird Time Jerks plot! It was interesting for a minute, when Ora maybe cared about Heure, but then the show's like Ha Ha NOPE and Ora's the same duplicitous scumbag as Swartz. Awesome twist! Completely negated my brief interest in Ora's character!

Have no place to talk about the Time Jackers above thus would be here... Though it may not sit well with you, yeah, Ora is intended to be a total scumbag, not on Swartz's level, but still one. I̶ ̶h̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶(̶s̶e̶c̶o̶n̶d̶a̶r̶y̶)̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶o̶i̶n̶e̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶Z̶i̶-̶O̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶m̶a̶j̶o̶r̶ ̶f̶e̶m̶a̶l̶e̶ ̶s̶m̶h̶ ̶d̶u̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶E̶n̶g̶l̶i̶s̶h̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶l̶a̶n̶g̶u̶a̶g̶e̶. It wouldn't be a writing problem like the dumb plot about Tsukuyomi, it's intentional. It's a running pattern for Ora that she does doing something nice for someone else, it's either because the action directly benefits her personally or a setup to make the other person drop their guard so that she can do something absolutely horrendous. She's a sociopath who sees everything or everyone around her as a means to an end and is capable of feigning empathy to manipulate the people around her. She kickstarted the plot here by mainpulating the heroes that eventually had her getting to know Another Kikai's password from Tsukuyomi and helped with Geiz's hesitation she snatched the Watch and killed Tsukuyomi in the process. It's foiled by Sougo's Zi-O II powers though.