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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

Pretty much, yeah. It's not as big a deal as Yuuji's stuff from the end of Faiz, though, because a) Tsukuyomi isn't nearly as central to the plot as Yuuji was, and b) it all feels incredibly temporary. Yuuji taking over Smart Brain was in just the final few episodes, so there was almost no chance it was going to get swept under the rug. Here, I'd be shocked if Team Zi-O weren't reunited by Episode 28.

It's bringing up a lot of the same frustrations, but for different reasons. With Faiz, I think we as viewers were supposed to be unsure of Yuuji's motivations, say what you will about his actions. With Zi-O, I definitely think the show feels like it's being transparent about Tsukuyomi's motives and goals. They just, uh, don't make a ton of sense? In the details?

I guess I gotta remind about how the scene in Heisei Generations when Ataru, who is a fan of Kamen Rider and is excited to meet them, also does the same to Tsukuyomi (which she mistakes as love confession), while also had Tsukuyomi (in her memory loss) not reacting to that name, it's a foreshadowing for something. Otherwise, yeah, was thinking and asking this about how it's an apparent heel turn/slippage for characters who are previously the other kindest and most heroic ones other than the ones with Kamen Rider sensibility (other than most MC, Keitaro for Faiz). Was half-right in my guess albeit you explained here the reason is different (or that both cases you explained shows about how it can be harder to pull this type of turn convincingly... I mean I have agreement myself too with White Woz not being seen as problem, even when Black Woz was before). H̶o̶w̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶W̶h̶i̶t̶e̶ ̶W̶o̶z̶'̶s̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶Z̶i̶-̶O̶ ̶I̶I̶ ̶b̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶?̶

Otherwise, sorry to bother again regarding this but I'd like to know what are your thoughts on my several previous replies below, and quite from older episodes (if there can be something to say):

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Otherwise, there can be negative consequences for KR, as a practically violent show (for fighting). It can be concerning when kids watch them is that they play into children imagination and fantasy, so children start to fantasize about being vigilantes (of which this practice should be discouraged). And for the lessons or such, the inherent difficulty in those shows is that all sorts of problems have to be resolved by violence and fighting (otherwise those shows won?t have any action elements), and there are helping people psychologically but it can be overshadowed (like it can involve MOTW).

↑ mainly going from the "Drawing strength from stories about empathy and kindness" and "stories of hope and sadness and empathy and loss and humor and fear" part back then.

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Actually this displays that Tsukuyomi had better judgment of the main duo than they themselves at each other (though it'd be Mom-ish for the part of how both of them value her opinion). Geiz hesitates between taking Mondo's power to defeat Another Quiz and letting him reunite with his father (I guess this also highlights Geiz's development himself that he grows out of his black and white mentality not only to Sougo but also to Another Riders), thus he asks her what'd Sougo do in his position of which he got her answer of Sougo prioritizing Mondo's feelings, thus he got a thoughtful expression for a moment. Though he covers up agreeing with her answer by telling her that they need to fight, this is then used as Geiz and Sougo's plan later with Geiz giving Mondo time to confront his father and prevent Ora from interfering by rushing straight at them to punch Zi-O instead, allowing Quiz to have his chance to escape.

Sougo asking Tsukuyomi which gets him the answer of blindly rushing at Mondo as someone too straightforward also lets him figure that out when Geiz punched him that it's their plan to solve the Mondos' problem, instead of the miscommunication of Sougo being confused why he attacked him, he's usually too straightforward to make that simple mistake. Then Sougo furthers buy them time by stalling White Woz while beating Another Quiz to draw out answers for Mondo's questions.

↑ ep. 20.

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Otherwise, while people can be complicated or having multiple sides, there can be still those who are more good, more evil, or more neutral than others, it's a mistake to only cherry-pick an action like a single moral act and use that as an argument to equalize everyone's moral spectrum of 'everyone has good and bad', usually used to talk down heroes in favor of the villains they justify. Someone should be looked at bigger picture to evaluate if they're doing more good or more bad (not good/bad outcome for here, like villainous organizations creating the birth of heroic Kamen Riders with its invention). For Sougo here, he had the capacity of evil but his goods far outweigh the bad more

↑ I didn't quote it before, this was the one I refer for:

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Originally Posted by Kamen Rider Die

I don't see that in the piece you quoted? I've seen enough Figuarts to know that Sougo's got a few more upgrades coming. Sorry if there was some confusion!