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Kamen Rider Revice Episode 33- "LovKov's Rebellion!" Discussion
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05-06-2022, 04:01 PM
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Sh Ranger
I liked that aquarium scene where Julio suggested to Aguilera that they should make some memories together, it was a sweet gesture.... I really wish the episode had ended there.
So with Julio being ineffectual as usual, my only other hope (and expectation) was that Aguilera would at least get the honorable battle to the death she wanted. But nope! This isn't a show where side characters get what they want. Olteca doesn't get to be understood, Julio doesn't get the girl, Aguilera doesn't get a dignified exit, but Sakura gets a new trophy to show off to the other Weekenders.
I don't know since when Olteca 'wants to be understood' or something, what he wanted was to make the world his and he had sadistic pleasure in watching others suffer in his evil deeds. Who cares about 'being understood' at that point. Personally I'd not see tragic backstory as redeeming trait or 'valid' excuse for villainy, because actually hardship and trauma can make someone more empathetic and kinder due to how they're more able to understand other people's difficulties and understand what others have been through. The abuse partly explains why he acts that way but doesn't mean Olteca should not be held accountable and responsible for his misdeeds and shift the blame on anyone else like the heroes/others for 'not understanding him' or such. I mean also, just because you see another villain being able to be talked down (and sloppy one at that for Zero One's Gai), doesn't mean it can apply to every one of them, that's generalizing.
I personally never saw Julio as being romantic towards Aguilera and I'm not a fan of shoehorning romance in anything too, it's about Aguilera picking up Julio when he was at his lowest thus Julio has boundless loyalty to her, it's like the Three Crows fiercely following Kazumi around in Build, for examples of same gender ones. What Julio wants is to repay her, like keeping her safe, not for Aguilera to get on his dick. It's not shown but he should've gotten what he wanted here if it's to keep Aguilera safe.
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Sh Ranger
That seems to be the message this episode is trying to give, but I think that contradicts Kamen Rider Ryuki's message, that using any means to save someone is wrong and can cause more harm than good. It should also be consensual, not forcing salvation on someone who doesn't want it. Showing Aguilera another way of life was a valid attempt to give her a change of heart, but she ultimately stuck with her decision to face death with pride, so at that point, I think she deserved for her wish to be granted.
I don't know why this is 'wrong' for contradicting other KR message, why certain other KR messages or traits here are regarded as authoritative that being different from those makes others 'wrong' or such (and I feel like for some reason you really make something like Zero One authoritative for all KR). Those other stuffs are also coming from humans with own personal tastes and preferences. The messages for both shows doesn't seem to show something really bad, other than you seemingly having personal vendetta against any promise breaking, regardless of context, when Olteca's particularly terrible not necessarily for breaking the promise, but about how he does that by continuing his murder spree of people and gloats about his misdeeds to her, not solely the act of promise breaking alone there. But Sakura's actions are nowhere near as depraved as that one to gloat about murder spree, promises being broken for normal human reasons is actually more common, including for something out of their control too, and it's also even better when they'd try to explain why the promise is being broken and try to compromise. At least Sakura does the latter to compromise for Aguilera's life entirely by being there for her, that Aguilera's complaint was about having nowhere to go (that she's wrong).
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Sh Ranger
Part of being a Kamen Rider is the willingness to do unpleasant things for the sake of justice and carry the burden of those sins. Ikki and Daiji have already killed three Giftex collectively, so Sakura killing one would be a bigger deal to them than it'd be to her.
No offense but there's some BS regarding this claim in your part, like you'd demonize those who actually did that, doing the said unpleasant things for the sake of justice and burden it, because of how it doesn't fit the better outcome that you thought can happen, like Kouta. You were also kinda still treating it as hostility from Geiz to promise to kill Sougo when he turned evil in his conquest for his sake. And also as someone said, the unpleasant thing here can be the broken promise, but you contradict yourself here by championing for Riders to do unpleasant thing yet talk down exactly that.
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Not to mention what it would do to Sakura. Does she really seem like the type of character who should become a murderer? Even if she has the resolve to do it now, this is definitely the type of thing she'd regret later on.
Dunno about murder, but Sakura previously was someone who'd support/justify bad deeds, when it's something that can give 'good outcomes', like Bon and Seiko (well this one's her karate coach). She probably has now changed since becoming Jeanne but just a reminder.
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Daikaijuman54
Daiji: "Why won't you die!?"
Akaishi: "ViStamps, son! They activate in response to physical trauma. You can't hurt me, Jack."
Jack in this series is his older brother Jack Revice tho! A̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶G̶i̶f̶f̶ ̶C̶e̶l̶l̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶N̶a̶n̶o̶m̶a̶c̶h̶i̶n̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶V̶i̶S̶t̶a̶m̶p̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶R̶i̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶s̶h̶i̶t̶.̶ Otherwise it can be a fun idea to have Akaishi retains his 'human' look while directly fighting Riders like Steven Armstrong, and like more memes potential like said Armstrong (a̶n̶d̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶M̶G̶R̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶p̶o̶s̶e̶d̶ ̶v̶i̶a̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶a̶l̶k̶). Probably him absorbing Giff to power up later like Armstrong absorbing Excelsus remains (and for KR, like Masamune absorbing Gamedeus).
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