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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zi-O
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05-14-2022, 01:51 PM
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Enchilada645
Oh also I thought it was cute and clever that the Paradox Roidmude was Another Drive. Like it's not hinted at but it's still neat given he's technically a movie Rider as well and this was basically their way to get past not having Dark Drive's suit.
For sure, it was bad*ss to see Paradox return! I totally wasn't expecting him to be revealed as Another Drive's true identity. Him masquerading as Ora reminds me of how he did the same thing as Eiji. But I'm mostly surprised that he was the one who killed Heure, rather than a regular villain in the show. That was a tragic scene, after Heure had started to find a real friend in Sougo, so yeah, I understand why Sougo would be ticked off at Paradox laughing sadistically about that. However, even if it was actually Ora as Another Drive, I don't think she'd be above killing him anyway, since she mostly cares about herself.
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Surprise! It's Episode 45!
-Did anyone geniunely wanted to see the return of White Woz again? Because I sure didn't? I thought the note we ended on for his character was fine enough.
Not really, but I don't mind. He fits with the Another World thing and it doesn't even require a returning actor to make it work.
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DreadBringer
True, only Heure had a sliver of conscience compared to the other 2. But about Another Ghost's host, it wasn't Heure doing good thing, it's him being manipulative too to put the heroes in a tough spot, as they know they can't let Another Ghost run off and steal souls, but at the same time, nothing will change when they properly destroy the Another Rider as Makimura will still be dead. Makimura also refuised the Another Ghost power, also showing how he's a good person compared to other Another Riders, yet Heure still forced his choice to him without regards, and a corrupting one at that. And I guess anti-hero term is more fitting to evaluate entire character, instead of single/few actions, like if someone who is overall bad but had done few good, it only adds redeeming quality first to them first instead of outright heroic traits.
Sougo did use time travel to save Makimura before destroying Another Ghost though, so even if it wasn't Heure's intention, it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that Heure is part of the reason why Makimura survived when he would've died originally. I guess I was just using "antihero" as a synonym for selfish, since Heure is a pragmatic person similar to Evolt, so he won't do something evil if there's nothing to gain from it, when doing something good might better serve his goal in the long term. In his truce with Woz, that was an "enemy of my enemy" scenario.
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Daikaijuman54
So, I guess this is the best we're going to get for a W tribute arc, huh?
Pretty much. But hey, Daido/Eternal's an awesome movie villain Rider, so I'll gladly enjoy this hell!
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Kamen Rider Die
KAMEN RIDER ZI-O EPISODE 46 - ?2019 - OPERATION WOZ?
The problem is that it continually introduces new problems for the characters that only come from Swartz?z monologues, and only seconds before they?re relevant to the plot. We aren?t in an endgame that the show has been building to since the first episode, despite the Time Jackers being around since the very beginning of this show. We?re getting some random scheme of Swartz?z, with an out-of-nowhere stipulation to complicate things. The idea that Sougo can?t destroy Swartz without also erasing Tsukuyomi?s timeline? what?! It?s like saying Sougo can?t eat a bowl of noodles without Woz dying. Why? Says who? Since when is Swartz responsible for his entire timeline? If this was a sword hanging over our heroes? heads, why in the world wouldn?t the show want to tell us sooner? Why throw it at the viewer this late in the story?
I thought Swartz's delivery of the exposition of Sougo's three options sounded pretty ominous. But the more I tried to figure out what those extremely vague options meant, the less sense it made and the less I cared. Yeah, none of the stuff he's saying here makes logical sense, or rather it's the logic of the world that doesn't make any sense, which just happens to be where the show loses any grasp it once had on its generally consistent Time Nonsense. It only gets dumber from here!
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Enchilada645
And then we get possibly my favorite usage of Trinity, utilizing the transformation and necessity for all three to combine to drag Sougo and Eternal into Another World so that they can use Eternal's finisher to break a hell of a lot of worlds.
Yeah, that was really smart use of that form, kind of like a solution out of a video game or something. Even Daido was impressed by how they used him, despite how he tries to act dignified about it.
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