[Kamen Rider Die]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enchilada645

If you cant' tell I really loved this episode and consider Zero-Two to have a place among my favorite Final Form Debut's.

The concluding fight scene was incredibly cool. Definitely feel okay saying that!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switchblade

I will always appreciate a design that doesn't go overboard with stacking on more armor, accessories, and miscellaneous pieces of flair.

Yeah, my big problem with late-series suits is that the shoulders get real big and unwieldy. Zero-Two does not do that, and I appreciate it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Androzani84

Also, I?m not keen on the in-universe origin being Is just? pooping it out of her ear. Especially since it seems way sillier than the usual 3D printing method.

This is one of those things where... I don't know, I can't care? It's like every time someone pulls an entire Driver out of their back pocket: you just gotta let some stuff go to enjoy these shows.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaizin

We're at that point now. I'll get these out of the way, Zero-Two is a fantastic debut, I love use of practical effects and just how overall minimal in VFX it is, it's a stark contrast to a certain sword-based rider's final form debut next year who goes to the other extreme side of the spectrum in dashing colors. Zero-Two is an amazing suit, it was weird at first how it was simple initially in the magazine leaks, but I fell in love with it immediately. I pre-ordered the SHF already!

I can see why! It's a very fun suit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Layton13

It destroys any menace the Ark had left by showing it as a complete idiot. If it was gonna kill Aruto anyway, why in gods name did it not murder him on the bridge? What possible reason could it have beyond the writers saying no or the hero would lose? It utterly deflates the Ark as a villain because either it is completely incompetent, which is totally possible, or it is as smart as the writers want it to be and breaks the illusion.

So, I disagree with a lot of your points, some objectively (Izu's role is integral to the series' themes; Izu and Aruto collaborating on Zero-Two is literally what this show is about) and some subjectively (see above re: the manufacture of the Zero-Two Driver; I think Zero-Two looks cool), but this point is something that legitimately bothers me from the episode. If the whole story had been Izu stressing out and imagining the worst, fine. But if this is all really possible, why didn't the Ark just murder Aruto on the bridge? Why wait for him to go back to Hiden Manufacturing, rest up for a few hours, and then get murdered? The Ark's either a villain who wants to cause suffering, or it's a villain that wants to succeed as efficiently as possible. It can't be both!

(Also, JESUS CHRIST, why does everyone sit around while Horobi re-abducts Ikazuchi for service in MetsubouJinrai? Ikazuchi just escaped from this robot death cult! There are, like, four Kamen Riders there that could easily stop him! Are they all just looking for an excuse to head back to Daybreak Town?!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TF RyuShin

Basically, I like to think that Zero-Two's ability is more of a reality bending or simply making impossibility to be possible. Like making the binary code to 020202, making the Ark having a tremendous lag, and having a body double which in reality NOT possible. But it DO happened and it IS possible. Unlike Shining Hopper's superspeed and calculation, Zero-Two basically willed something like miracle to happen! It's no wonder why Zero-Two was made from Izu reaching more than Singularity because for such a lifeless robot, of course, it was impossible. But it WAS possible! If Takeru said 'Humanity's potential is infinite!', then I would say 'Humanity AND Humagears' potential is more than infinite!'

Ha ha, I really like this reading! Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreamSword

I wasn't down with the simulation twist either. Maybe it's just me, but I actually would've 1000% bought it if the show had claimed that Izu was somehow time traveling due to her becoming magic upon reaching the singularity or somesuch. Given all the other fantastical stuff that happens not only in this franchise, but specifically this entry? I don't feel it would've been too much of a stretch.

I seriously just thought she was having a breakdown? This is an incredibly stressful time for Izu, as she can't really do much for Aruto than be supportive. A story where she has to be more involved in the battle -- which is where they ended up -- feels very relevant to her character at this point, but I didn't like how they set it up. Better for her to have maybe overcome her own sense of helplessness to be a positive force against the Ark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nokination

Why would the show dedicate so much time to something that's apparently just a simulation, I know that Zea is very advanced, but how could it have possibly predicted literally everything?

It's just how There and Ark see the world, as limited possibilities that can be catalogued and countered. There/Izu is just doing what Ark's done, using the last episode's status quo to extrapolate what Ark would do next, and then adapting a strategy to defeat it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

It sucks that Aruto has to drive Izu to despair to escalate her singularity, but it was a desperate situation and I don't think he would've gone through with it if there were any other options. It also shows his faith in technology, by putting his life in the hands of a robot.

I wish any of that had been a major part of the episode? The closest we get is Aruto's (funny) Mea Culpa at the end, which isn't really sufficient to me. I think there needed to be either a serious admission that this was a horrible thing to ask (Sento explaining the Hazard Trigger to Misora, for example), or Izu taking the lead on this plan. Having it be Aruto's suggestion and Izu's suffering... I don't love it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreadBringer

And... her sadness is what's required to create Zero-Two, as her Singularity requires to experiences an emotion she?s never felt before while running Zea?s simulations. So it's about Ark vs Zea war, and Zea defeating Ark, but at the cost of Izu's smile. There's... an expense here of Zea winning.

That's a great way of putting it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frontier

And it's also unconventional in the sense that it's technically both a Final Form and a separate Rider, since it has it's own belt. Because Zero-One has basically peaked and Aruto now has to evolve past that, into Zero-Two. Which means Metal Cluster Hopper is technically Zero-One's Final Form, but let's not get into an OOO Final Form argument...

Yeah, I kinda like that part. I like that part of the story is that Aruto has to evolve beyond the plans of his grandfather and become his own kind of hero. Zero-One was someone else's dream; Zero-Two is the dream of Aruto and Izu.