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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zero-One (and builds SO-DO)
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08-20-2022, 02:28 PM
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Like Is, inspired by Aruto and believing so much in his dream of humanxHumagear coexistence risking herself for that dream by trying to get through to Horobi like Aruto would...only for it too be too late or not matter in the end. But I still found that brave in its own right.
Same here. While I'm not going to contest anyone who says Izu was dumb for getting herself killed like that, I still respect that she made an independent decision to protect her boss. That was always the risk of reaching singularity, of becoming alive, that you can actually die. Izu probably felt closer to humanity than other HumaGears, due her lack of a backup, but with self-awareness comes the power to dream and she was willing to risk her one life for the sake of her dream of peaceful co-existence. Yeah, that's pretty brave, regardless of the outcome. She did manage to chip away at Horobi a little, make him see for a moment the hypocrisy in his argument. Izu didn't die for nothing.
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It's true that, Phoenix is an irredeemable bastard, but while Horobi at first glance sounds like Heart, he's not really like him, he's quite depraved too in his villain stint. Someone that's more like Heart in Zero-One, would be Jin at his revival, before ep. 36. He actually took care of Humagears (even if there's some misguided way in breaking off their relationship with humans) and would at least tolerate humans who'd be benefical to them. Heart sees all Roidmudes as his friends, is enraged at their deaths, mourning and avenging them instead of labeling them as failures... Horobi claims to want a better future for Humagears, but he didn't put that into practice other than his misantrophy. By that, it's not only humans who are threatened by Horobi, fellow Humagears aren't safe from Horobi either. He 's full of hypocrisy and willingly destroys any Humagears who do anything to slight him and dragging them into needless conflicts, mainly humanity-related. Heart and Jin (at the start of revival) actually earned the anti-villain status, but not for Horobi; he develops without changing his morality spectrum.
Well I did say "similar", so I know Horobi's motivation isn't exactly as pure and sincere as Heart's. Now that you mention it though, yeah, I can see a lot of Heart in Jin as a fellow red fighter who wishes for liberation of his people, so that's probably the better comparison. Horobi probably sees himself as this, but even though his motivation is clear, his actions are not. He's acting out of fear of what humanity will do to them and out of father's instinct to protect his son from that threat. He feels pressured to eradicate humanity ASAP, including their influence on HumaGears, rather than allow them the chance to do any more harm.
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TF RyuShin
Because of that moment, I dare to say I HATE Aruto and Fuwa's relation as Main and Secondary Rider. Just ask any other Secondary Riders before Fuwa: If they saw the Main Rider in the position like Aruto, I'm sure they will do something other than leaving the Main Rider alone. Geiz was shocked and felt bad for Sougo after witnessing Another Kiva's death, Banjo would beat up Sento to get him out of funk before cheering him up a bit, Hiro DID give some nice wisdom to Emu after Kiriya's death and so on. Fuwa? Do nothing and prevent Yua from cheering up Aruto. I don't care whether Horobi was still out there or Fuwa didn't expect Aruto to become Ark. For certain, Aruto DIDN'T need a room alone, he needed support at time like this. I'm feeling bad because Aruto is TOO much of a nice guy to Fuwa, the so-called friend who didn't even give back all of Aruto's token of friendship in all of its earnest.
I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with you here. Isamu absolutely cares about Aruto and wanted to give him the space to grieve and work out his feelings, as that's exactly what Isamu would want if he was in that position. If not for Azu showing up, I'm sure he would've had a serious pep talk prepared for Aruto later when his head was clear, but he just never got the chance. It's nice that Yua's instinct was to console Aruto, but I don't think he would've been receptive to that when the wound was so fresh. Isamu understood that, so he figured that leaving him alone was all he could do for him at that time. There's no doubt in my mind that Aruto and Isamu have an unbreakable bond after everything they've been through together.
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