[AkibaSilver]

Quote:

Originally Posted by EpsilonX

I don't think anyone ever stated in this conversation that a show was bad because it was formulaic - just that certain ones followed a formula and certain ones didn't. But if that's just context you're providing for the rest of your comment to make sense, then carry on.

Ah, sorry, yeah I was mainly using it for context. It's an argument I often see - "Gaim is good because it doesn't follow the formula!" and there's sort of the implicit assumption that inherently being different from a "formula" (i this case the 2-week victim / MOTW story with a second rider showing up around 16 episodes in) makes you better. If you're tired of that formula after 7 straight years of it, then yeah, it makes sense as a compliment, but if you're revisiting shows out of order, that shouldn't matter as much I think? (Fwiw, I do think in that context what made Gaim so new and shiny has worn off a little, and you can see some of the things people like to critique newer shows for creep up in the first arc. Introducing a deluge of Riders and new forms, setting up mysteries that get answered badly later on, scenes that make no sense...)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesnick

The problem with Zi-O is that this show loves its predecessors more than its own story. If he has the choice to play with the guests or develop his story, Zi-O will always choose the former. And that's why I can't be mad at him and will always prefer Decade. This show is literally a fan of other rider shows.

I don't think this is true? Zi-O at its best uses the legacy characters to progress the stories of the main trio while also reminding us of why we loved the older Riders, and at its worst disregards them to focus on the newbies.

But yeah, I don't know where the impression Zero-One or Revice is the worst thing ever came from? Aside from the job arc and the, let's say, contentious ending, Zero-One seems pretty well liked, and Revice never seemed as reviled as Ghost or Saber did. Also, Saber's not even that bad.