[Kamen Rider Die]

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Originally Posted by Enchilada645

So I'll just really say, the first reveal complaint doesn't really ring much for me since well, it feels more like a clarification. And the second reveal complaint, while I get that it's very sudden, I think you're downplaying things a bit too hard with the "What coworker screwed over his buddy" comment.

While the Book Club's monologue is a clarification, it still provides crucial details about what precisely they're trying to do, which I can only feel would've been helpful as they were each rolling out of their shadowy library to do the weekly monster plot.

For Kamijo's story, I sort of can't believe the show thought this guy dedicating 15 years of his life -- and almost perpetuating an apocalypse -- to uncover malfeasance didn't deserve a little supporting documentation? I'm not exactly sure what he's even supposed to be accusing some nameless traitor of doing here. He's just like Someone Made My Dude Crazy, and that's all we get. If this show wants me to feel the depths of Kamijo's sadness, and how it's inverted in the strength Touma receives from Kento's memory/ghost, they gotta give me more to go on.

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Originally Posted by Kurona

I can definitely relate to Kamijo's motivation not hitting me at all. I'm a very themes-before-plot person; if the mechanisms of the story or how it's delivered aren't quite working but all of what it actually means is still there I'm very happy to let it off the hook (to a degree I think it's necessary for watching Tokusatsu), but sometimes it's stretched just... a little too thin.

I realized after writing all that up that... like, the biggest problem I'm having with a lot of these plot points is that there's almost no thematic cover I can give them, because so much of this show is weird plot stuff. With a show like Geats, I immediately knew and loved what it was doing, so it was easy to defend certain elements by thinking about how they were supporting or subverting the main thematic topics of the show. With Saber, I honestly feel super adrift? There's some general stuff about storytelling, or promises, or friendship, or teamwork, but almost none of it feels elevated or integral; meanwhile, this show keeps surfacing bizarre plot details that just suck all the oxygen out of the room. If/when I get a better sense of what this show is trying to talk about, I hope I'll be able to find more value in some of these reveals.

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Originally Posted by Kurona

Nothing in the Kento story even worked for me! It failed to hit me in the same way the Kamijo stuff did! But this form and everything they did with it was so incredibly good it made me believe in the strength of that story for a whole episode!

The First Annual Kento Memorial Stage Show Extravaganza was a very fun episode and a very cool suit, it's true.