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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

If what you like about Saber extends to even Luna, then I'd also wonder how'd you defend her as Luna (especially on her own) seems to be even worse than Sophia for one of the most hated in the franchise. About Reika, yeah, the hate she receives is mostly after Ryoga is introduced where it's more of disappointment that her character is ruined since then instead of inherently viewing her as bad as a whole. And I wonder what'd be the time limit for promises to you if that this is fulfilled very long time after, but all before those time Touma can be accused as breaking promises.

Sure, I like Luna, generally, but most of what I like about her is pretty basic stuff, she's just a kind cheerful kid and I mostly care about her cause I care about Touma and he cares about her. Also, that Master Logos was acting like a creep towards her, so I wanted Luna to get away from him pretty quickly. She's not prominent enough that I can defend her on the same level as Sophia, but I will argue against the haters that they shouldn't have expected too much activity from a character stuck in the book dimension for 15 years anyway.

I'm pretty indifferent to Ryouga, but I feel inclined to defend him a little, since I've seen some of Reika's fans-turned-haters blame him for "ruining" her, even though Reika's dysfunction is her own problem and out of Ryouga's control.

Regarding time limits for promises, that depends on whether or not a time limit was established as one of the conditions and whether it's specific, like "today next week", or vague, like "in a few days" (such as my promise to Die about discussing Book of Ruin), which varies for each person. Of course, if there's no time limit given, then a promise could be fulfilled even after both parties are dead. Like if a hero promises their dying friend that they will protect the world, then they also die fighting to protect the world, but their effort posthumously leads to that outcome. So Touma promising to save Luna can be considered a success, despite the long duration.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Um, but that make sense. If a character can be both strong and weak, both rude and soft, this is versatility. If he/she always shows only one trait or several similar ones - this is a flat character. That is, morally good characters are not necessarily good written characters. I myself like to evaluate riders, including from a civil point of view, but this is far from the only point of view. Not to mention the fact that the feelings "like / dislike" are often not explained logically in principle, because they are born in the heart, not the brain.

Moderation is important here though. Reika starts out cold and merciless, but the swing in the opposite direction makes her pathetic and submissive, while still being cold and merciless. So then she gets hated for being the worst of both extremes, rather than steadily moving in to the sweet spot.