[Mesnick]

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Not like there aren't any rules on real life society with punishments, but not everyone will follow that.

But most people will.

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And it's not only attacking Riders head on that can potentially reduce your competitiors, actions like leaving them hanging also can do, and it doesn't seem to be penalized, like lntentionally leaving them to die when they're injured (by something else) while you can save them.

And in real life, this is tantamount to murder, whatever Nolan's Batman says there. Everywhere, from Sweden to North Korea. So even if it is not prohibited by the rules of DGP, riders are still people, which means that not everyone is capable of killing, even if it is profitable.

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Actions like Emu punching Kiriya after his return to maintain their facade will also hurt him. Or Date kicking Eiji mid-fight with other opponents to maintain the facade. Keiwa also attacked Ace in his plan to bait Girori, even though Ace has clear upper hand.

Here, however, the situation is quite different. Neon did not deceive Gamemaster, but her fellow riders. And not for the sake of mutual benefit, but for the sake of personal victory.

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Mend? People shouldn't shoving the importance of family and blame those trying to break off. Fact is a lot of parents are terrible people, and their childs don?t need to be unconditionally grateful to them, or stuck with them (but her mom won't stand still). People like her parents can't and won't change their ways, because to them, they ARE already showing their love, but their love is predicated on you being what they want her to be or what she can do for them - which shapes abusive environment. There are also numerous other Riders who have archnemesis dad, and thus they're also "unwilling to mend their relationship"?

So after all, we are talking about DGP, which accept desires for resurrection and destruction. Neon could wish for new parents, or change the nature of the current ones, or turn them into cats, and it would come true. I meant that her desire is not directly related to the family, even if it is caused by family problems. So she sees the source of her happiness in love, and not in the family.

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Firstly, what should stop is assuming someone who tries to preserve their welfare if they can while helping others as only wanting to help if they don't harm themselves.

You see, most people are kind. And most people do good deeds, if it does not harm them in any way. Also, by your logic, would a billionaire who takes half a minute to donate 0.0001% of his income to charity be more heroic than a firefighter or a person who all day feeds the homeless just because he helps more people? But everyone has different opportunities. Therefore, for me, a hero is exactly the one who does good outside of his comfort zone.

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Villains aren't free from putting themselves at risk either, as the villainous Riders in the DGP like Kanato are given the same tasks and threats as anyone else. But those aren't heroic for their risks because they brought nothing good to others (them fighting Jamatos is also evil vs evil).

I agree here. Heroism is good deeds, but not every good deed is heroic. The difference between our positions is that you have set a very low bar for being called a hero.

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Wut, this is just cruel. Why tf would people are faultless if they have reasons behind their actions? Reasons can include something like jealousy, envy, racism, bigotry (can involve something they have no control of like their race), quick bucks for media, keeping villain's schemes covert, etc. And for you, the haters are doing the right thing over reasons like those?

No, I'm just saying that these reasons exist. And without eliminating them from the haters also will not get rid of.

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And examples of hated heroes in media can be (and quite often) someone as morally upright as Spiderman or Kenzo Tenma.

And there are reasons for this too. Again, morally upright means less than bad deeds.