[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

They got Retired, so it's not a permadeath but I'm not sure if they can come back in this world. The only one we saw do that was Ace, reviving in the same world after Glare Retired him, which might've been an effect of his desire, "To play DGP until I die". Michinaga wants to rid the world of Riders, but he's not totally depraved, so he'd probably rather deter civilians from becoming Riders so he won't have to kill them. Ironically, his world actually seems peaceful without DGP and it's Chirami who starts getting people killed by throwing a full roster of Riders at an impossible final boss, even a former Desire God who must've been playing before Ukiyo Ace, presumably that beagle guy, Groovy.

Though Ace and Keiwa got murdered in a different way of the Heaven and Hell game round turning them into bubbles. But at least for that part, it seems to be a genuine murder as Ace returns not because he got freed or something, but someone else making an effort to revive him. I don't think it's due to Ace's first wish though, which'd be jumping into the conclusions. It's implied to be because of Tsumuri's prayer of which she's on the same breed as Mitsume.

And ofc, Chirami is one of the Riders actually fit for Michinaga's bleak view of them (and Chirami himself also has bleak view of humanity), but the bad thing is deeming everyone else on the same group as like that too due to bad experience - like when someone dates an unfaithful opposite sex, then later goes on a crusade against all opposite sex due to assuming all as similar to that unfaithful scum (e.g., a female being objectified and cheated and brutally retaliated against him, but also then deeming all males as perverted playboys). I still have to say though that his world seems the same from the perspective of those not knowing the DGP, just saying to prevent the thought that the DGP is the only problem thus anything happens to others is ok to make a dent to it.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

A fun female Rider isn't exempt from tragedy though. I think Neon's big heart is the reason why she suffers so much, that she's full of love for her fans, but was born out of coldness and betrayed by the future fans for being an artificial lifeform. Her desire for true love, whether it's platonic, familial or romantic, is a road of inevitable painful heartbreak. However, I think she'll bounce back and keep fighting for the true love she deserves, which is what I want to see.

Personally, I wouldn't use her "love for her fans" as the highlight for her, because actually it's not shown much, generally only done in her continuing to create content. Not that she's bad regarding it (and other "celebrity" types in KR is shown like this too, though my example is also from Gaim - in Beat Riders...), but I feel that her against fans is just standard, and that how a certain celebrity in real life treats their fans set me a high standards for these kinds. Yeah, she'd perhaps bounce back, but I hope this won't be used to diminish how horrible Beroba's actions are (or even depicting that as "misery builds character" kind); because good or bad deeds isn't determined by the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

- Keiwa in all JGP (except for the last round, where he voices obvious things to Ace) can be removed and nothing will change. He didn’t even get spectacular fights, and the ninja’s abilities work according to the will of the plot. In general, I think if the show had been released ten years ago, both he and Neon would not have been riders, but simply support characters;

This was the part where the characters who are helping others are shown to be genuine, and not merely doing it for points like Michinaga accused or such (and even then within the DGP, it's actually important too because not all civilians get reset). In-universe, Chirami is baffled why they'd help others without a promise of the reward. Ace too questioned Keiwa and Neon doing that, but it being a lie from Ace means the lie part is him only doing that to further his agenda, with the truth being him genuinely protecting.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

- Revealing the truth about Neon was interesting, but I don't think that drama works, given that she was unhappy in the family. In fact, as Kyuun said, it rather unties her hands, allowing her to finally leave the house. It seems to me that this would work much better with Keiwa. Yes, and his character of a selfless hero is much more suitable for being someone else's desire.
For example, Sarah, who lost her parents in the DGP, could well wish for a younger brother who would restore justice.

Before Heaven and Hell, what Neon did in this arc is pretty much the same as Keiwa's (and also like in for example, Schemes DGP), using the powers granted by the DGP to protect people and oppose DGP, also including helping setting up the festival hearing that it should start tomorrow (though it got canceled). Previously before this, Kousei never keeps her in the house, but giving her all the freedom, but he's still a problematic parent in a different way (and Kyuun got disgusted by him), opposite to Irumi, leaving the house isn't the only problem (like for previously, not being allowed to socialize is another).

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

- Did Beroba or Nadge come up with the victory plan? Definitely not Michinaga, because he is not strong in inventions.

Beroba did, she said it herself that she hoped that Ace visiting Mitsume would play out like what she hoped.