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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

And characterization has no relation to their story role, even though it's true Na-Go is the tertiary. The franchise's formula may have certain characters often occupy that role, but they (or anyone else) can perform different things for that character role too if they want. Michinaga has a characterization similar to many previous secondaries of being brutish thug , same logic applies to Neon here for "suffers the most" (guess for OOO, the primary seems clearly the one suffering the most, and even then, perhaps there are lots of other tertiary that doesn't suffer the most, at least in comparison to main characters like Mihara, Taiga, Woz, Yua, Sakura).

Cicero said, "Exceptions prove the rules." Ace would love it. Over the 50 years of the franchise, riders atypical for their roles will certainly appear in it. This applies to both primary and secondary, and tertiary too. Plus, in Revice, I consider Demons tertiary, just not agreeing with Toei. Let this be a personal headcanon. As for Michinaga, your statement is very debatable, because he is quite similar to Snipe. And Beroba doesn't call him Micchy for nothing. Plus, in the movie, he fought Vice, emphasizing his position as more important than secondary.

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Otherwise, seems that from how you're talking about the "cries" here, you're an actual example of those thinking that, versatility aside, characters are only okay to display a breakdown, vulnerability, etc. if they have "proven" themselves to be a "bonafide badass" (read: those being grumpy, antisocial, aggressive, and other cold or outright toxic masculine traits depicted as tough) of which it'd be praised as humanizing instead for them. Gotta stop encouraging emotional suppression/avoidance of vulnerability and telling people not to cry, be vulnerable (except for those normally acting like stereotypical men, and those characters I refer are often given occassional vulnerable moments, just the double standard of only those being able to without being shamed), and project a rather inauthentic image, lest those get harassed and shamed. It's not what being emotionally healthy actually is and it can't be suppressed forever, also strong doesn't only come in one mold, there's no one way to be strong.

So, I'm sure that we already had this conversation, but still you are fighting in the wrong direction again. When I write that someone cries a lot, I am not judging or belittling, but simply stating a fact. If I want to give this a condemning color, I use a colorful epithet to emphasize it.
And even more so, I'm not a fan of cool characters. In my rider rankings, Takeru is higher than Tendo. And the same Gills I like not because he is cool and brutal, but because I feel sorry for the boy who receives a triple share of misfortunes in the show.

Therefore, it seems to me that we need to stop being offended by the statement of fact. A person who fights a lot is a fighter; a person who screams a lot is a screamer; a person who cries a lot is a crybaby. And "crybaby" is not an insult. A pitiful crybaby is an insult. I hope I made my position clear.
Plus, everything you wrote about mental health doesn't apply to Neon? She created a bright positive image on the Internet, hiding her tears behind a smile. And I do not blame her for crying (I just state that she cries a lot), but in her case, tears do not help. Otherwise, she would have already come close to solving her problems, but this is not the case. Neon is still unhappy.

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It's also a common view that villains tend to directly alter the plot's trajectory more, in fact it can be seen as inherent (actually not always) that they're the ones who make the plot while the heroes only react. By this there can be people having takes such as "Joker is the real protagonist (or even 'the hero') of The Dark Knight" but doesn't mean they're stating the truth/fact - it's just one of those biased interpretations revolving around their favorite characters only.

The Joker and after the "Batman" of the 89th was a favorite character for many, but then it never occurred to anyone to say such a thing. In the cases of The Dark Knight, Christian Bale's character does not corny develop either like Batman or like Bruce Wayne, but simply reacts to external stimuli. Therefore, for the audience (and due to the popularity of the film, many watched it before "Batman Begins"), he is boring and they were drawn to a more interesting character. Returning to Geats, as I already wrote, judging by the importance for the plot, then PunkJack is one of the main characters, because without him, Ace would never have known about the connection between his mother and the DGP, and would have played with Jamato for another 2000 years.