[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

I consider Demons tertiary, just not agreeing with Toei. Let this be a personal headcanon. As for Michinaga, your statement is very debatable, because he is quite similar to Snipe. And Beroba doesn't call him Micchy for nothing. Plus, in the movie, he fought Vice, emphasizing his position as more important than secondary.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Therefore, for the audience (and due to the popularity of the film, many watched it before "Batman Begins"), he is boring and they were drawn to a more interesting character.

There are other ways to enjoy characters and express it than just stating misinformations though, can be done without asserting that personal favorites are more important than others (also extends to those deeming Demons more than tertiary - as MC instead). Obviously I know viewers would be often more focused on their favorite characters, but of course that's something really subjective in general, even if there's general consensus. While viewers may be focused on seeing how the favorite character performs, it won't change who's the actual protagonist, which is something objective. And I don't meant that Snipe doesn't have suffering, but I personally don't think that his is higher than other characters such as Ex-Aid, just on par.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

So, I'm sure that we already had this conversation, but still you are fighting in the wrong direction again. When I write that someone cries a lot, I am not judging or belittling, but simply stating a fact. If I want to give this a condemning color, I use a colorful epithet to emphasize it.
And even more so, I'm not a fan of cool characters. In my rider rankings, Takeru is higher than Tendo. And the same Gills I like not because he is cool and brutal, but because I feel sorry for the boy who receives a triple share of misfortunes in the show.

Guess I misjudged you here, though to explain, it came from how from my experience, yeah crying do get used often as an insult and hate for characters, there'd be quite a big number about patronizing complaints and rants in regards to crying characters, though dunno if it's just them being loud (though the insulting part still remains). Also just to say, yeah regarding the cool characters, Tendou does have vulnerable moments, like if he interacts with Hiyori, just saying that those I refer aren't devoid of it.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Therefore, it seems to me that we need to stop being offended by the statement of fact. A person who fights a lot is a fighter; a person who screams a lot is a screamer; a person who cries a lot is a crybaby. And "crybaby" is not an insult. A pitiful crybaby is an insult. I hope I made my position clear.

It depends, there can be those who take some characters and narrowly define them based on one action or event, to the exclusion of other, often more important, actions of that character, of which being a screamer (in a cringe way), and crybaby, or other stuff seen as major embarassing moments, such as characters losing a fight thus "weak", can be some examples, of which some people can endlessly bring up that, and only that, to make fun and degrade them, passing those off as fact but not actually, more like it seems as if some people just haven't been paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I'd rather Michinaga doesn't go full genocidal villain like Kaito, as that would pretty much ruin the character for me. Michinaga already shows awareness of the fact that evil is inherent in human nature, which is a trait he acknowledges in himself as well. But his interaction with Tycoon in Episode 37 suggests that his philosophy is about protecting people's happiness from those who would deny them that, so destroying free will and denying everybody would be a contradiction. At this point in the show, I want to see Michinaga develop constructively, not get worse.

Yeah, there can be some possibilities ahead, perhaps that the current DGP being made devoid of rewards can make him open his eyes, though it's not the first time the series has established genuineness, like how the JGP before also had the "antagonistic" Riders genuinely protect people because they want, as 'questioned' by Chirami (but he accuses them as half-heartedly fighting without rewards). I don't specifically refer to him being genocidal for the extremist plan, it can be something like making them live in dystopian world (likely contrasts to Ace's utopia) or assimilating them.

Though regarding said interaction, maybe it depends on translation subs, but from what I catch I do think that the ep. 37 one have his argument being about just living and not being at stakes - which is similar to what you said about how Neon was peaceful when she started obeying Irumi, but she wasn't happy. But I thought he hates happiness in their interaction for ep. 31, blaming it as the root of all evil - and he has no problem bringing misery via the JGP, as long as it opposes the DGP, and we know that merely living doesn't mean fulfilling, but I know some people (those like him or some real life audience who makes defenses for those "not killing") do equate living or surviving as "not being miserable" (which I thought was what he said there).

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

Genocide is for when a specific group of people are being targeted to kill, and Michinaga certainly didn't do that. But the guy committed mass homicide, and that's still really bad. Like even taking into account that some civilians get brought back to life after the final round, it's been pointed out there are STILL people who don't get brought back in order to be used as fuel for the wishes, like Keiwa's parents.

Like deeming anyone expendable for any reason is bad, no matter what the scale. The DGP is wrong for what they've done, but Michinaga really wasn't much better.

Not Sh Ranger, but yeah ironically despite the point of the reset for some civilians, it's a common defense some people use for him to paint him as blameless that the civilians will get reset thus he didn't kill anyone (and somehow they can forget he murdered the Riders here to claim he never killed Riders or anyone). This also ignores how not all Rider fightings are DGP (this is the JGP, the ones who get reset after this are Jamatos, and Beroba explicitly stated that they will be used as sacrifices to fuel the wish for the JGP’s winner). And their targets being deserving one (including society or entire world) do often can make people forget their atrocities, thinking that they're small prices for the better outcome - the thing is I don't know why some people think these guys' plans will always work out perfectly if let be, and their plans are seen as the only one that can work for betterment, thus those opposing them (not strictly about Geats but various other media) are considred not getting the big picture to hinder that.