[DreadBringer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

Gotta say, I'm still not feeling Daichi as a reoccurring villain. While his plot to use the Jamato to gather intelligence is...Fine, it just still feels wildly out of character. He's gone from manipulative to world destroying levels of evil?

To be fair, it was never shown if Daichi has any standards or restraint or something, so him escalating can be expected. Same goes for Morio, who while his crimes are small-scale, he also never shown to have any restraints. Though it's already cemented for me when he joined the Jamato (which happens early in his appearence), that he said he'd do anything to get his ideal world, and later enjoying the Jamato terrorizing people, the exact same thing done by Beroba and Archimedel.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matrixbeast

I wish Neon's visit with her father gave him some greater depth, but no. He's just devoid of any redeeming traits. I understand that they said his heart died with Akari, but still, this was a nice chance to have a real conversation with Neon. Shame.

Honestly yeah, don't pull punches in showing that parents can be another kind of terrible and abusive people, and imply that if parents are not 100% evil and dastardly all the time, they're not Actually Abusive, the kids are just exaggerating.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Well, I've recovered from the tragic death of Sara last week. It was mostly all I could think about from that episode. I'm totally still pretty mad at Daichi and Kekera for orchestrating this and I hope they both get their due karma.

I wonder if Orteca's descent to a worse piece of shit was done to a more (personally) lovable character before than a side character (I think similar stuff happened when he gleefully murders Yosuke by turning him into Gifftarian to spite Tamaki), that you'd be less wanting for Orteca redemption and more also wanting for him to get his karma like Daichi here. Well, just that I felt sometimes, that your anticipation of character's redemption arcs before is something that would lead into them merely getting a slap-in-the-wrist outcome (at least because it's what happened to Gai IMO, he ended up better than the main cast of Zero-One).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

It's especially rough on Keiwa though and I think his reaction, while clearly unhealthy and self-destructive, is actually understandable and sympathetic at the same time. I can't blame him for losing his sense of justice, but I hope he can find it again. If only to prove Kekera wrong about his twisted vision of what a Kamen Rider should be.

I don't know how Keiwa can prove Kekera wrong at this point, because technically Kekera was already proven right, by how he got his final form when he threw Sara under the bus. Later events won't negate that, at least in real life audience's eyes perhaps (if there are those who don't hate Kekera, especially those being proud to claim they're like him), that the root of Keiwa getting a W here is still Sara's death which birthed him his final form, regardless of what happens next. Previously you've called Keiwa out for his wish as it'd perpetuate the DGP, but you don't seem to actually demonize him for his turn here, but acknowledges this as a change, instead of like, depicting him as a whole before in negative light by depicting this as his true colors or such...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Michinaga's also suffering in his own way. He feels like he has to kill the Jyamafied humans, as he believes there's nothing else he can do to stop their rampage. Until now, he's always destroyed his way through any problem, but this time it's hurting him to have to kill more innocents, probably bringing back bad memories of his actions in the Heaven and Hell game, which Sara was caught up in. If that wasn't bad enough, now Keiwa's guilting him over it and punishing him for Daichi's and Kekera's crimes. I definitely have to pity Michinaga a little.

While he's in pitiful state (and Beroba wants to milk that), I wouldn't want for all the blames to be pinned on Daichi and Kekera only (which also can be used to exclusively bash Keiwa for targeting him). It's still his own idea of “fighting to protect people", anything goes as long as this ends. He's a very example of those who view good in statistics, which explains why he can pull crap like Heaven and Hell, and still this one, despite having good intentions. He may be hurting now to do this, but he can only be absolved of this crime, not only exclusively on Daichi and Kekera, if he stops doing this or having this view. Keiwa guilting him came from his own words of claiming they're better off dead if they can't be turned back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

We can't really judge whether or not Daichi is OOC, since we don't know that much about him, other than he's an a**hole who would murder a lovable character. However, as Ace gave everybody their memories back but abolished desire granting from his DGP, that leaves Daichi in a desperate position where he has to use the Parasite Game instead, regardless of the apocalyptic side effects. Looks like Kekera isn't the funny frog man you thought he was either.

Having a hope on Kekera may stem from the simple fact that he supported Keiwa, thus by default he must be a saint too just more hardened. I mean you (me too btw) were someone who acknowledged how Keiwa was in the wrong for ep. 8, but these ones may refused to acknowledge he was in the wrong in that time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesnick

Well, I watched two episodes at once. What can I say: divine powers are new to Ace, and therefore, like in the game of knocking the can, he is terribly incompetent. Let's forget that Sarah would have died even without the intervention of the DGP management and two bad supporters. Ace left the riders with a memory so they wouldn't lose their dreams and thus created the current Jamato-Daichi, who of course couldn't help but combine the mean with the terrible and take revenge on Sarah for the last game. Okay, Ace couldn't have predicted this, but what about this episode? He refuses to kill the parasites in the second stage because he hopes to cure them. I agree, not everyone can be Michinaga. But, instead of locking up the dangerous monster, Ace leaves it to roam the city and, as a result, Jamato, possibly harming civilians, dies at the hands of Buffa. It's more like not following principles or finding a better way, but more like wanting to throw off responsibility. Perhaps unconscious.

Yeah consequences and outcomes aren't something that can be predicted, except if they have the power to do so, so honestly he shouldn't be held accountable for Daichi turning as the next Gardener; the Jamato can still likely continue due to Beroba, like perhaps the DGP's side of Samas recruiting someone new entirely like Jit, it may happen without Daichi. I also felt that the part of keeping second stage Jamato alive is something that the episode cut short, but I think still too early to judge Ace's decisions here, though he does say that he seeks to find cure to them - but at least like what many KR series teach, all lives are precious, not just the many, the infected ones don't have any less right to continue living as the one getting attacked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesnick

Although Sarah was meant to be sacrificed, she managed to become a truly living character and the last episode gave viewers the most emotional scene of the show, immediately overshadowing Ace's reunion with his mother. Therefore, of course, I want those responsible for her death to be punished. But whether they should be punished by the hands of her brother is a big question.

And you still can't spell her name right despite this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mesnick

Such behavior of Beroba can be caused either by an internal deviation or trauma in childhood. From what we know about the future, there could not be a situation for childhood trauma (and do artificial people have a childhood? in principle. This means that the desire to make others suffer was inherent in Beroba. And here, too, it could not have done without DGP.
Developing this idea, it is easy to come to the conclusion that DGP needs a Jamato suporter. If the monsters become too weak, defeating them will no longer bring strong emotions and hurt the show. But why invest in the development of Jamato by yourself, if you can create a sponsor for them?

Simply by investing in one artificial person of the future a couple more forbidden desires, in addition to craving for strong emotions.
And then this puts Beroba on the same level as Tsumuri, because even having rebelled against the DGP, both continue to play their assigned roles - the Navigator and the future Goddess for Tsumuri and the enemy of the riders for Beroba.
So if I'm right, DreadBringer is wrong in calling Beroba the worst person on the show. At the very least, she can't be worse than the one who put those desires into her. For simplicity, I will assume that this is Sueru, but most likely the DGP has a separate man in a jacket for this job.

What is your problem of bolding the forumer you refer to while making up this shit? Why making up these stuff? This is just like someone grasping on straws to insist that a villain is really not that bad, for various reasons (like perhaps them being their favorite, feeling conflicted to like such a horrible character, etc.), and just similar to you grasping on straws to discredit Ace's actions like donating money to Taira's son before. And all of these are just your headcanons, so this can be just taken with a grain of salt regardless of how bold you feel in these, you're just spouting nonsense, unlike my claim that is based on what's actually happened on the show. And regardless explanations (usual "tragic backstory for villain" stuff for Beroba there) aren't excuses.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daikaijuman54

I do feel like it's interesting to see how Tycoon and Buffa are more alike in their willingness to use the powers they despise to bring about their desires, which is a fitting theme for this show's premise.

Maybe it's extended to Beroba and Kekera too.... both being newfound partners, has some similarities by being the more terrible one among the supporters who feeds off others' misery, but I think has some contrastings as well in how Kekera supports a Rider who wants to revive killed Riders - Beroba supports a Rider who wants to crush other Riders, Kekera limits his wrongdoings in what is meant to push Keiwa's "development - Beroba pulls no punches in any kind of evil deeds even frivolous and petty ones for misery, Kekera views misery as something to develop people - Beroba uses misery to demoralize people.