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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I wonder if Orteca's descent to a worse piece of shit was done to a more (personally) lovable character before than a side character (I think similar stuff happened when he gleefully murders Yosuke by turning him into Gifftarian to spite Tamaki), that you'd be less wanting for Orteca redemption and more also wanting for him to get his karma like Daichi here. Well, just that I felt sometimes, that your anticipation of character's redemption arcs before is something that would lead into them merely getting a slap-in-the-wrist outcome (at least because it's what happened to Gai IMO, he ended up better than the main cast of Zero-One).

For that to happen, Revice would need a lovable character. Well, I guess there's Yukimi, my attachment bias would definitely make me a lot more mad about her death than anything for Chigusa or Yosuke. Of course, I'd also be pretty mad at Michinaga if Sara had become a victim of Heaven and Hell.

We should still consider the difference in motivation though, to determine who has more sympathetic qualities. While not inherently redeeming, this information can be used as a catalyst for redemption. Like Zea did for Gai, which gave him the opportunity to use his genius and wealth to atone for his past.

Olteca seeks validation for his genius. You claim his murder of Yosuke was to spite Tamaki, but I think it's more like he did it for the attention. Due to his father's abuse and induction in to Deadmans, he only knows how to get that by making his friends hate him. He's a tsundere villain, but as his toxic behavior is never addressed, he's denied any catalyst for redemption.

Daichi seeks the memories of all humanity. As his desire is too big to be granted by living honestly, he's willing to use any means necessary. The problem here is that characters have already given him a generous amount of chances to redeem himself and he keeps betraying and exploiting their trust. His plans are overly logical and thus they fail when someone inevitably makes an emotional choice.

If Olteca and Daichi swapped shows, I think the outcomes would be very different.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I don't know how Keiwa can prove Kekera wrong at this point, because technically Kekera was already proven right, by how he got his final form when he threw Sara under the bus. Later events won't negate that, at least in real life audience's eyes perhaps (if there are those who don't hate Kekera, especially those being proud to claim they're like him), that the root of Keiwa getting a W here is still Sara's death which birthed him his final form, regardless of what happens next. Previously you've called Keiwa out for his wish as it'd perpetuate the DGP, but you don't seem to actually demonize him for his turn here, but acknowledges this as a change, instead of like, depicting him as a whole before in negative light by depicting this as his true colors or such...

Those people seem to miss the point of Kekera by claiming they're like him. The sponsors are supposed to represent sides of the audience. Everybody's a little bit like Kekera in the sense that we need to see our characters suffer so they can grow from it. But most people aren't extreme enough that they'd orchestrate that suffering directly, or want them to suffer constantly. Kekera's vision of an ideal Kamen Rider seems to be stuck in the Showa Era, but beyond what even Ishinomori would force on a hero. You're right that proving Kekera wrong will be complicated. Even if he dies by Tycoon's blade, he may die laughing proudly at the Kamen Rider he made. How can such a person be punished?

Regarding the part about demonizing Keiwa, well, stay tuned for my thoughts on Episode 42. This is only the tip of the spear.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

While he's in pitiful state (and Beroba wants to milk that), I wouldn't want for all the blames to be pinned on Daichi and Kekera only (which also can be used to exclusively bash Keiwa for targeting him). It's still his own idea of ?fighting to protect people", anything goes as long as this ends. He's a very example of those who view good in statistics, which explains why he can pull crap like Heaven and Hell, and still this one, despite having good intentions. He may be hurting now to do this, but he can only be absolved of this crime, not only exclusively on Daichi and Kekera, if he stops doing this or having this view. Keiwa guilting him came from his own words of claiming they're better off dead if they can't be turned back.

Michinaga doesn't have reality warping powers like Geats IX though and even with those powers, Ace can't do it with his Kirakira alone. If the Jyamafied people can't be turned back, right now, then Michinaga has to choose in the moment between letting them rampage on the gamble that they can be saved later, or destroy them to prevent further deaths. Maybe it's the wrong choice, but to have the power to protect people and neglect to use it would feel irresponsible to him. It's a burden every Rider has to endure, the reality that fighting will cause victims in some scenarios, but it's better than not doing anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

I don't even like Beroba and I don't think my explanation is "tragic backstory". I just don't agree with the statement that she's the worst character on the show. It all started with Sueru, he is the supreme evil, more or less the impetus for all the characters in the show. And besides, he dresses in the style of the leader of the Shocker. And I didn't mean to attack anyone, it's just that you called Beroba the worst character on the show several times, which no one else did, so it's logical.

I agree that Beroba isn't the worst, even though she's still a pretty terrible person. The future definitely has a serious cultural problem that allows these toxic behaviors to exist, as I doubt Beroba ever had anybody to teach her that making people suffer for entertainment is bad when this is exactly what the DGP did since obtaining Mitsume. Personally, I would give the acolade of worst villain to Daichi, as he's part of our contemporary moral culture and yet he still turned out like an unscrupulous traitor and serial killer.