[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

The problem is that Ace is 2000 years old. As clich?d as "story-based" amnesia is, it's meant to allow a character to make mistakes without looking like an idiot. Nadge's type appears in every second anime, so it would be very naive to expect him to accept defeat and not harm anyone anymore. So it was Ace who pushed the dominoes of events, deciding to leave the riders with a memory. Well, from a story point of view, this is logical, because the main character cannot remain out of work in the show's biggest conflict.

Well no, obviously I don't meant for them to get Daichi redeemed or such (and I'd hope he gets what's coming to him and not a slap in the wrist outcome, and I'm worried about Kousei in the next episode). Though perhaps to control his behavior for others' benefit, it can be done in pragmatic villainy way (doing good/not doing bad out of their best interests, not due to standards). Or keeping him alive in leash to examine his lab to get more knowledge regarding it. What I'm thinking was that, they perhaps should look for a way to extract Daichi's intelligence or such (... like the opposite of what's Daichi doing of gaining others' memories) and use that knowledge to try creating something to cure them, taking over Daichi's lab too for speed.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

I don't even like Beroba and I don't think my explanation is "tragic backstory". I just don't agree with the statement that she's the worst character on the show. It all started with Sueru, he is the supreme evil, more or less the impetus for all the characters in the show. And besides, he dresses in the style of the leader of the Shocker. And I didn't mean to attack anyone, it's just that you called Beroba the worst character on the show several times, which no one else did, so it's logical.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I agree that Beroba isn't the worst, even though she's still a pretty terrible person. The future definitely has a serious cultural problem that allows these toxic behaviors to exist, as I doubt Beroba ever had anybody to teach her that making people suffer for entertainment is bad when this is exactly what the DGP did since obtaining Mitsume. Personally, I would give the acolade of worst villain to Daichi, as he's part of our contemporary moral culture and yet he still turned out like an unscrupulous traitor and serial killer.

Guess I have to back off a bit, and I gotta straighten things up a bit as I do forgot something regarding this, my evaluation of Beroba being the worst was a bit outdated. I thought of this before Suel came to scene. So to update that, Beroba now can be challenged for the worst person in Geats, though I still think she's a candidate, I think it'd be between Beroba, Suel (yeah he can be worse than Beroba, but I don't think it's fully certain yet), or Daichi like you said (though also again, his crimes escalating is a recent stuff). For future stuff, for sure there's definitely terrible eggs from that, but I don't think that I would deem all the future people as inherently terrible yet (maybe can still be similar like humanity in any era), because I've seen similar argument done to humans in out contemporary moral culture, but I feel those are nostalgia bias (usual present time hate stuff) - like in the past there's also "making people suffer for entertainment" stuff too, like decapacitating disliked person in gulliotine for everyone to watch.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

However, I still think the story of the sick boy itself is very clumsy, because if he could be saved with money, Ginpen could obviously get them in a much faster and safer way than by joining the DGP. After all, he conducted an interview when applying for a company, which means he should earn at least a good amount.

I feel that it's not like Taira stopped his business when fighting in the DGP, he can ofc try to do both at once, counting on whatever that will work for him to cure the sick boy on time, though depends on his time management. Probably if Taira has collected enough money, he can retire mid game, which fortunately the DGP isn't like Rider War (where Sano suffered of this) of how there's a chance to forfeit, though with the DGP's consent (Hiroki in PunkJack special).

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

For that to happen, Revice would need a lovable character. Well, I guess there's Yukimi, my attachment bias would definitely make me a lot more mad about her death than anything for Chigusa or Yosuke. Of course, I'd also be pretty mad at Michinaga if Sara had become a victim of Heaven and Hell.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Those people seem to miss the point of Kekera by claiming they're like him. The sponsors are supposed to represent sides of the audience. Everybody's a little bit like Kekera in the sense that we need to see our characters suffer so they can grow from it. But most people aren't extreme enough that they'd orchestrate that suffering directly, or want them to suffer constantly.

And there's also those who admit being Kekera, and want for Sara to die, because she's uninteresting (she didn't have much screentime before Hakubi) and if she dies there'd be one less boring characters in the show. But this is the reason why murder is a severe (but not the only one) crime, it can be a huge loss for anyone even if you don't feel the same, and really it shouldn't be taken lightly even in a fiction where it's rife of it; numerous villains who get slap in the wrist outcome due to "redemption". Regarding not that extreme of orchestrating, still dunno if they can't act on it (like not having power/position/etc.) or won't act on it.

I also think, some authority figures in places like school (who is considered right and know the best) are also like Kekera, they want to prolong the suffering of like, students, so that they can "grow", and deem those who break or object as mentally weak, especially done by the opinions of the outside who victim-blames, and I'm afraid that anytime, they can kickstart the idea that lets students suffer constantly so that they can further grow.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Olteca seeks validation for his genius. You claim his murder of Yosuke was to spite Tamaki, but I think it's more like he did it for the attention. Due to his father's abuse and induction in to Deadmans, he only knows how to get that by making his friends hate him. He's a tsundere villain, but as his toxic behavior is never addressed, he's denied any catalyst for redemption.

Daichi seeks the memories of all humanity. As his desire is too big to be granted by living honestly, he's willing to use any means necessary. The problem here is that characters have already given him a generous amount of chances to redeem himself and he keeps betraying and exploiting their trust. His plans are overly logical and thus they fail when someone inevitably makes an emotional choice.

Being attention seeking won't put him better on moral standings either way, though you may be explaining this to talk about his writing. I feel that attention seeking can be something of an ego or narcissist incarnate, and also can be limitless like knowledge (that Daichi seeks), it also can not stop overnight after Tamaki gives said "attention", he may want the attention to be certain way to further commit crimes for that. So you do think of Daichi's further appearences as being given a chance to redeem, but for this one you aren't holding those people (instead of Daichi) accountable where they have something as bad that makes them fail to redeem Daichi, unlike for example Gaim.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Michinaga doesn't have reality warping powers like Geats IX though and even with those powers, Ace can't do it with his Kirakira alone. If the Jyamafied people can't be turned back, right now, then Michinaga has to choose in the moment between letting them rampage on the gamble that they can be saved later, or destroy them to prevent further deaths. Maybe it's the wrong choice, but to have the power to protect people and neglect to use it would feel irresponsible to him. It's a burden every Rider has to endure, the reality that fighting will cause victims in some scenarios, but it's better than not doing anything at all.

Eh Ace for now also doesn't find a solution yet for the infected, so the reality warping power argument doesn't apply here. Though perhaps still, even if the reality power argument can solve thing, it's how someone should cooperate with others to get the best outcome, including simple thing such as calling him over monster appearences (like Keitaro or Zack) while he can help neutralizing the monsters but not killing for Geats to do his work, of which it'd be Michinaga's own problem where being a lone wolf, and adamant about doing things his way and his way only, is something completely in his control.