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Originally Posted by Mesnick

And this applies not only to the characters, but also to the show. For example, when Tsumuri suddenly becomes incredibly important at the end of Geats, this is taken as normal, although Tsukuyomi from Zi-O in white is scolded for the same. With the fact that the girl in white was given much more attention in her show.

My problem with Tsukuyomi's arc is that it suffers from the same bad plotting and Time Nonsense that Zi-O runs on. Like, it's kind of ridiculous how Episode 31 starts with a trivial discussion about her previously unmentioned memory loss and ends with Swartz conveniently showing up to give hints about her mysterious past (uh, future?). Tsumuri has a little more foreshadowing than that.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

I would accept it if Ace really "give up" his wish for the sake of others. But the show didn't even have a variation on Zi-O's style, who refused to be king now because he didn't like the terms. Ace wished for a world where everyone can become happy, only after talking with his mother, to which he went for 2000 years. Not before, not instead. And he didn't ask for forgiveness, didn't say he was wrong. So this is not a change of dream, but the choice of a new one after achieving the previous one. As he believed that you need to fight for your desire, he thinks so. As he put his desire above others, he continues to do so. This can be seen from Ace continuing to call Tsumuri sister over her objections.

What's so heroic about giving up something you care about for the sake of others? If Ace wants to create a world where everybody can be happy, then of course "everybody" would include Ace himself. Should Neon give up her desire for true love, or Win give up his desire to become a famous rockstar? We can see the result of people giving up their desires in their post-Retired states and there's nothing right about that. The power to change the world is fueled by Kirakira, the determination of each person to pursue their desires. Geats IX is only strong due to Ace's selfishness and that's what makes him a hero.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

At a minimum, Ace definitely watched "Chirin no Suzu" in a previous life.

Considering Ace's annoying penchant for animal metaphors, I agree this would be in-character for him.

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Originally Posted by AkibaSilver

I disagree that just because no-one on the show is some idealised hero, it somehoe lacks some intangible ill-defined "light" that means it's evil? The characters are flawed, yes, but they're not cackling villains. They're realistic, they fight for their own goals, and most of their issues come from the fact that they're often risking their lives for a future game show Squid Game style, and that's gonna fuck you up. Keiwa becoming a grief-stricken murderer? Damn, wonder why the kid who's done nothing but lose people fromhis very first DGP outing and constantly feels outclassed by everyone else might have a depressive episode from that.

After all, Kamen Rider was created to defy the expectation that heroes have to be all "light" and always do the right thing. Riders turn their "darkness" in to strength and use it to protect humanity from suffering the same tragedies that happened to them. They make mistakes sometimes, but they learn from them and become stronger for it.

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Originally Posted by MKDremare

It's ironic how you asked if anyone would want to be friends, coworkers, or 'soldiers' with or trust anyone from Geats, while also bringing up how it doesn't have the 'light' of other seasons like 555.

I would gladly be friends with Takumi, Yuka and the others. Well, I'd probably have to keep my wits around Kusaka though.

Besides, these Riders literally light up in the darkness.

I would also have more faith in the main 5 of Geats than like 95% of the characters in Revice or Gaim. Even Ryuki had Shinji, Ren, Yui and Tezuka.