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What are you watching? (Kamen Rider Edition)
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08-07-2023, 10:21 AM
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If it's your purpose in rewatching Ryuki... uhh... even I wouldn't ever make these expectations because, I don't have high expectations for the crossover movies in general, but is it something wrong to have that approach (guess I do watch those for obligation)? Other than the complaint,there seems to be counterparts regarding Ryuki cast's wishes and the Geats cast's, but in general form. Ren is "the power to destroy a̶l̶l̶ ̶K̶a̶m̶e̶n̶ ̶R̶i̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ everything" (general version of Michinaga's Kamen Rider exclusive). While Asakura's wish is "fight i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶D̶G̶P̶ until the day I die" (general version of Ace's DGP-related first wish). It also feels smart to pair Ryuga with both Keiwa and Daiji - Keiwa's actor is named Ryuga Sato, and Daiji has dark twisted version of his personality in Kagerou like Shinji's Dark Shinji.
I was already planning to rewatch Ryuki before the reveal of their appearance in this movie, so it just turned out that way. There's nothing wrong with your approach either though, it's all personal preference. For me, I was concerned that watching this movie too early would've pulled me out of the experience of Ryuki, as I wanted to see the characters progress gradually from start to end. But if I'd known in advance how irrelevant they'd be, I would've watched it weeks ago. It's true that there are parallels to the DGP Riders, but it's all on a surface level of trivia and doesn't really contribute much to the story.
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Perhaps this also takes away the screentime that can be used for more series dynamics, maybe if this doesn't focus much on the saving Koshiro from Baridero and Izangi fight, which feels similar to Battle Familia focusing on saving the pregnant woman to prove a point, but this victim isn't a stranger for the cast, there can be more meaningful screentime for each series including Ryuki who here is only used as extra muscles to fight.. Though here, so even you can have complaints about someone only being used as a plot device, rather than character, of which it seems to be how people like Sophia and Luna from Saber are hated so much, and you also have finished Ryuki recently..
Well, it might be a moot point to complain about a baby having no character to relate to (Salamandes cheats by having a sudden growth spurt), but the way the story goes from casually introducing the new Igarashi to making that the catalyst for the plot seems way too convenient. Like so many problems with Revice, there's no plausible sense of time between major events. This baby didn't exist for 19 years after the previous sibling's birth, but Kinoshita clearly only writes for the plot, so now there's a baby, which if you remove, the plot totally falls apart.
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I guess you wouldn't complain about this when, you'd like the W ending of Philip returning. It was said that Vice (and likely Vail) are still dormant inside of Ikki, though it was never stated how to bring him back, albeit this one just feels easier (I thought it's simple while you think it's not that simple). N̶o̶t̶ ̶e̶x̶p̶l̶a̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶t̶a̶i̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶m̶e̶m̶o̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶e̶i̶t̶h̶e̶r̶.̶ With Hiromi saying that Ikki's power as Revi would be halved without Vice, it feels like a missed opportunity for a reasonable excuse to downgrade a final form to base form (Geats MagnumBoost) of the current Rider honestly. Regarding you questioning Ace's wish in this movie, you don't have similar questions to those in the actual series?
I just feel like it's another unnecessary attempt to subvert viewer expectations. Even Vice makes a big deal about how happy the cinema-goers must be to see him back and how heartbroken they'd be if he left them again. The twist of his borrowed time is delivered through the same tedious exposition that Revice always does, which leaves me with the same apathy I felt towards Ikki's memory loss problem. It's always, "oh no, this bad thing is happening", but I can't suspend my disbelief for problems that are only created by the writer's vanity.
I've definitely had problems with other DGP Riders' desires, like Neon's to disappear and Keiwa's to bring back all the dead, but this is the first time I've had a problem with one of Ace's desires. Even though it's a rare selfless desire in early Geats that doesn't further his search for Mitsume, it's also half-a**ed, negligible, when there was the simple option to just bring back Vice. If Ikki truly values Vice as family, then why isn't he willing to try and save him like he would for his siblings? If Ace understands the suffering of remembering a lost family member and frequently tells people they're better off forgetting, then why does he think Ikki should remember? These guys just left Vice to die, or disappear anyway, for reasons that I cannot make sense of.
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Well the Kuramas are far from the worst parents of the whole KR franchise, when there are parents that qualify for irredeemable villain such as Banno and Masamune. Ryuki also had the war starting due to abusive parents as well (... with their daughter also learning that they're actually dead, and is currently otherwordly). Though Kaima got mistreated, I do still think that, Kaima is an example when someone only selectively cares about family, they'd want to support their family while throwing everyone else under the bus in doing so, which makes a case of love turning someone bad (and how I think love doesn't necessarily mean goodness or good trait).
Yeah, Kaima is like an unhealthy version of Neon, where instead of searching for validation outside his toxic family environment, he desperately clings to the hope that by making himself useful as an obedient company asset, he can earn the approval of his father, who actually doesn't deserve his loyalty. It's a tragic depiction of unrequited love in the familial sense, which I would've liked to see explored more in Revice, instead of only idealizing the concept of happy family. Something like Rintarou's arc in Saber. I think Kaima had the potential to be an intriguing character, but alas, he was overshadowed. Even Kaima's father's arrest doesn't get much reaction from the Ultimate Busybody beyond "damn".
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