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Kamen Rider Geats Episode 47- "Creation IX: A True Kamen Rider!" Discussion
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08-18-2023, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
Crazy Theory: Daichi is not Nadge. I'll explain now. He became Jamato and, most likely, according to the method of Archimedes (for we have not seen others). That is, it is Jamato with Daichi's memory and consciousness. But Archimedel believed that Jamato could develop to such an extent that they would become independent and replace people. So maybe it's still true and the current Jamato-Daichi is a separate person and received only the memory of the original? Of course, the responsibility for the Knowledge Tree is entirely on him, but this can be attributed to the negative influence of the original.
Now that you mention it, JyamaTouru trying to ruin a fun festival contradicts Touru's desire to build a landmark, which may have contributed to Michinaga dismissing him as a cheap copy. Therefore, I would find it easier to believe that JyamaDaichi's sudden change of heart is a direct result of his Jyamafication, so I'll accept your headcanon as a possibility. I appreciate the irony of someone gaining a human heart by discarding their literal humanity, like how Gentoku raising his Hazard Level negated his motivation for raising his Hazard Level.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
This episode makes an effort to be mainly Keiwa-focused by making all Riders inactive, with Ace being sealed, also Sara and Daichi not being Rider anymore, but all Riders being turned into an animal plushie, as Kekera said so that Keiwa would be the only Kamen Rider to prove that he can't save people alone. It seems comedic, while also highlighting Tsumuri's change compared to Black Tsumuri which was like her at the beginning (albeit with opposite quote), such as now calling Riders by their civilian names, but that'd be another one of Kekera's crimes even if temporary, other than him holding civilians hostage, as I've seen these kind of crime in, Power Rangers SPD.
Except Win was turned in to a pumpkin plushie, so maybe Keiwa would've been turned in to a ninja plushie if Kekera's desire targeted him instead. I don't even recall Win getting his Core ID back, but maybe that was addressed in the summer movie where Punkjack appears.
Regarding SPD, are you referring to
Bugglesworth
, who turned people in to dolls?
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
I guess it's the most "consistent" way to change horrible people like Daichi, through outside means, like shown, as I personally won't believe that it can't come from he himself, regarding how horrible and that horrible people tend to look down on morality and never convinced by it (other than the benefit he can gain), thus it has to be forced upon him by the memories he gained. It also doesn't feel like he's actually redeemed yet (though him becoming sort of better now can disqualify him from pure evil status...), because his motivation to protect Sara isn't some kind of genuine care, but because there's something that finally intrigues him regarding her and Keiwa, about how to be happy, which is an ulterior motive.
While I still hold it against Daichi for what he did, I relate to Keiwa that his action of protecting Sara from Kekera deserves some acknowledgement, regardless of his pragmatic motivation. Honestly, I'm just glad that Sara is okay now. Based on Daichi's explanation though, I wonder if his change of heart may actually be rooted in sentimentality, rather than empathy. Evolt's third biggest weakness was sentimentality (after coffee and octopus, of course), as it caused him to frequently delay his perfectly planned schemes to destroy the world. He can't play anymore if he destroys his playground. Maybe Daichi learned the value of making new memories, experiences that he can call his own, instead of focusing on raw data that has nothing to do with him.
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DreadBringer
Other than the usual display of heroism by being concerned about the civilians, Keiwa makes active defiance to Kekera's teachings, and follow Ace's. Now Keiwa rejects making a DGP wish, against Kekera insisting that you have to sacrifice some people's happiness to fulfill the other. With Keiwa promising to Ace to take part in creating a world where everyone is happy, being heroic is of course, not viewing good in statistics, but strive for everyone, unlike him only caring for his family in his heel turn before. Though it's not shown how to deal with you can't save everyone route, but my personal thinking is that, it's ok if you fail, but only due to your limitations, not deliberately offing the unlucky few. Though Keiwa now swears off DGP, he'd still need the Creation powers to fix the world, but in how Ace and the gang use it by not sacrificing others. The episode title of Kamen Rider meaning is shown with the typical Kamen Rider theme, of which no matter where your powers come from, including from evil, you have the control of your power and use it for good... the one thing Keiwa thanked Kekera for.
I thought this was a satisfying conclusion to Keiwa's arc of overcoming his cynicism and becoming a hero who fights straightforwardly for everybody's happiness. His final words to Kekera actually feel like something a Showa Rider would say, which may be another way of him honoring his promise to Ace, by granting Kekera's desire in the end, even though he didn't deserve it. But I like how it's not a total philosophical concession either, as Keiwa still holds on to his own happiness and shows his worth as a human being, as more than a shallow archetype. Although the part where he claims you don't need to be a Rider before immediately henshining in to Rider was poor timing, haha.
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DreadBringer
Suel returns, with him revealing that Zitt is only a remote body controlled by him.
Humorous how Regad Omega rips off Gotchard's goggle flip not long after his movie cameo.
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Originally Posted by
Matrixbeast
I don't know if it's just a translation thing, but I'm kind of confused by Daichi's characterization.
At first they said the reason he was becoming less evil was because, by consuming memories from the fruit of the tree of life, he by proxy absorbed their moral compass as well. Which made sense.
It didn't make sense to me at all. Memories and emotions are separate, despite what Ace claims.
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Matrixbeast
But then the world was reset, and he lost those memories. Shouldn't that mean he would've reverted back to how he was prior?
Do you ever wake up from a dream and quickly forget what it was about, but still remember the sensation of it? This is like that. Daichi vaguely knows he forgot something, but cannot put a handle on it.
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Matrixbeast
(And this one isn't anywhere near as bad as Thouser's)
Strong disagree. I mean, how could Gai possibly stay evil after reuniting with his adorable robot dog? I'm also willing to cut the show some slack, as it was rushing due to pressure from a certain apocalypse IRL.
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Originally Posted by
Zolda
Gosh. What a hyper-bloated, hyper-contrived story. It's so contrived that the writers themselves are confused and can't finish it as scheduled. This series is so hilariously, laughably bad. Geats is the apex of bad writing.
Okay, so this is the answer to why you think that, from the previous thread. In that case, I disagree, as I believe that Revice is the zenith of bad writing.
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Originally Posted by
MKDremare
These episode discussion threads generally are short to begin with.
There are exceptions though, like this one.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
And no, there is no subtext here: "Here's a fool, how can he compete with the brilliant genius of Hideaki Anno?".
Takahashi can't compete as Geats doesn't have Hamabe.
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