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Kamen Rider Geats Episode 47- "Creation IX: A True Kamen Rider!" Discussion
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08-20-2023, 08:02 AM
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Mesnick
I have absolutely no intention of changing anyone's preferences. I know there are people who don't like Geats, but I don't see them as allies. I argue with actions that I consider wrong, the interpretation of events or characters, but not to convince anyone, but to explain why I think so. Stay with your opinion, but recognize the right to another.
For preference, yeah, anyone can have varying tastes, and I do work on it like, insisting that a show being light or dark (of which it does seem that the dark ones are more appreciated by default) isn't what determines quality of the shows, would object to those that claim being light makes it bad or boring by default (and that the reason it might be bad can be something unrelated). I'd wish for something to be viewed more objectively though, such as actions (not about you but in general), primarily when villain's atrocities are downplayed due to not being done for evil's sake or such, though for opposite can be true of thrashing those who did something wrong on rare/few occassions (even when they show remorse over it). Being against moral relativism, like drawing the line at different places for different characters (or group, or show, etc.).
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Mesnick
Plus, don't breed sacred cows. If you can write that Ghost is a bad show, then you can write that Geats is a bad show. If you can write that Sougo is dumb, then you can write that Ace is dumb. And you may not agree with this. But guessing what a person thought, wanted, or manipulated is already too much. Because personally I mean what I write and I want it to be perceived that way. Please.
Honestly, though perhaps not in my younger days (or likely early time joining TokuNation - I can forgot), this'd be the reason why I can feel conflicted in evaluating the quality in something like series, plot, characters, etc..... felt wishy-washy deciding the quality in something. Thus I don't openly stating if something is good or bad or such, and can question regarding reaction differences to something that seems similar such as why dark show A isn't as well-received as dark show B by someone (I also did some in Die's watch threads such as "taking personal responsibility" guilt). I'd make an effort to appear neutral, as I don't want to be biased and unfair or, perhaps getting dismissed as invalid when I'd like/defend something atrocious in fanbase's eyes (and people like Die can openly state that he likes Kai from Den-O...) - It feel easier though IMO to work on smaller things like certain character/plotline rather than whole series. Though I evaluate quality faster in something I think is more straightforward like suit designs or fight choreographs.
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Sh Ranger
Now that you mention it, JyamaTouru trying to ruin a fun festival contradicts Touru's desire to build a landmark, which may have contributed to Michinaga dismissing him as a cheap copy. Therefore, I would find it easier to believe that JyamaDaichi's sudden change of heart is a direct result of his Jyamafication, so I'll accept your headcanon as a possibility. I appreciate the irony of someone gaining a human heart by discarding their literal humanity, like how Gentoku raising his Hazard Level negated his motivation for raising his Hazard Level.
This seems true that, JamaToru does seem to perform opposite things to Toru's goal of ruining a festival. But I wonder if Toru really becomes like that as a person, had he survived and continued to live, represented in his revived Jamato form (Michinaga also can dismiss him like how Neon's former fans dismiss her as a replacement). Though he does get a tragic death of being cruelly mistreated by 2 Riders, the moment corrupted him that he becomes the thing he hated, becoming only caring about getting back at the Riders like Michinaga (at least outwardly) does, related to his delinquent past of picking fight with others regressing to that.
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Sh Ranger
Regarding SPD, are you referring to
Bugglesworth
, who turned people in to dolls?
Yes, watched it when little, remembered Mora playing with converted dolls including Z though I didn't get the MOTW's name.
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Sh Ranger
While I still hold it against Daichi for what he did, I relate to Keiwa that his action of protecting Sara from Kekera deserves some acknowledgement, regardless of his pragmatic motivation. Honestly, I'm just glad that Sara is okay now. Based on Daichi's explanation though, I wonder if his change of heart may actually be rooted in sentimentality, rather than empathy. Evolt's third biggest weakness was sentimentality (after coffee and octopus, of course), as it caused him to frequently delay his perfectly planned schemes to destroy the world. He can't play anymore if he destroys his playground. Maybe Daichi learned the value of making new memories, experiences that he can call his own, instead of focusing on raw data that has nothing to do with him.
As usual, outcomes shouldn't be used to elevate someone or their actions (the opposite of how heroes like Shinji shouldn't be judged by how they fail and screw things up, but only about them trying to improve the situation, or purified Medic healing Roidmudes, but Medic got heel turn later to mistreat even her own kind). It should be more known that someone opposing a bad guy and foiling their plan doesn't necessarily mean they're good guys, or reformed/redeemed in this case (of which if one is called anti-
hero
like you do for Kusaka, it does mean calling them a good guy) - of which describing it as a change of heart does mean reforming.
A bad guy opposing another bad guy also isn't always done because they draw a line (of which it was what I said regarding Niramu to Suel), yeah, it's pragmatism -
pragmatic villainy
, when a bad guy can end up doing something good or refusing to do something bad, only because it serves their interests. Like Evolt there, he's also fighting on the same side as the heroes against Killbus, but it's only because it'd be the end of him when Killbus wins. Said pragmatic motivation would mean that this is an example of something very DGP like what Takeshi did in your eyes eh, of saving people only to get points which you disregard, as in, talking about outcomes, Keiwa and Neon are still safe regardless.
Keiwa doing that is just him (after growing out of his cynicism) viewing the best in people or such - I don't necessarily agree with seeing the best in people move or such (of which you also didn't for Keiwa in ep. 13), that'd be not exactly a credible view of people, I'd support to not shy away from knowledge of the evils in the world, albeit at least he knows he was bad before (which Keiwa was too) unlike Beyond Generations, but giving him a second chance, but 2 previous Takahashi's series had the cast being rightfully mad to Kuroto (like Evolt above, not actually redeemed) and Gai.
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It didn't make sense to me at all. Memories and emotions are separate, despite what Ace claims.
I think that perhaps the memories can still relate to knowing joy because, the memories would involve getting their thoughts, like for example, Sara worrying about the kid's safety in Heaven and Hell, and thinking that she's relieved (can mean happiness) that he's safe? I'd think thoughts would be included in someone's memories, getting what's running on a caring person's head, like seeking to make other people safe and happy, their thoughts of guilt/pity when doing something to others or a tragedy that happens to others. Thoughts also can involve other things relating to joy like when someone worries about worst scenarios like not passing an exam or getting rejected from work, but they pass which, well there should be thoughts of them feeling relieved.
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Sh Ranger
Strong disagree. I mean, how could Gai possibly stay evil after reuniting with his adorable robot dog? I'm also willing to cut the show some slack, as it was rushing due to pressure from a certain apocalypse IRL.
Well, any other living being around him aren't Thouser. Like Hitler can still commit monstrosity while loving his dogs.
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Daikaijuman54
I had a strange impression the people from the Labyrinth Game were going to show up, and (unless I'm mistaken, then just disregard my nonsense) they did indeed appear. As the prisoners.
Yeah.. no. The actors in ep. 11-12: Kozue (big sis) - Rui Tsukishima, Yoshiki (boy) - Sou Kikuchi, Jiro (driver) - Koichi Sudo. In this episode: Schoolgirl - Yurine Hanada, boy - Uk(i)yo Nakamura, man - Hisahiro Tsurumori.
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