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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

There's also at least Fredbob and Switchblade for this place. I don't think that places like TV-Nihon forums or Kaskus (my country personal forum) like this series either. And... would you yourself be really different in how you see Ryuki? And also there's how Sh Ranger views Gaim, DreamSword views Build, etc.

I myself don't feel too strongly for 555 and Kabuto, but I think that's the beauty of Kamen Rider. Not every season will appeal to everyone, but every season will have its fans.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I guess I think there's some intrigue of how it's a criticism of entertainment media. As powerful as Suel is, he still answers to those who are merely just watches. The director, producer, and all other team can bicker and maneuver all they like or turn on each other, but losing your audience? You're done. Of course though, the VIP's tastes are what leads Suel to become a threat for the world and the cast.

I think the issue that people are having is that they're trying to see Suel and Zitto as characters, when really they should be looking at them as forces/obstacles to overcome. They don't need any depth to their motivations or anything, because ultimately they're what stand in the way of Ace's and the others' goals of a world where no one needs to trample on the happiness of others.

Wanting a villain with deep motivations and backstories is normal and fine, but at the same time, I feel like people have lost the ability to appreciate villains who exist solely as a force to be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Posting in Die's threads, it seems that in general many main Riders of most Rider series (at least both phases of Heisei until now) are all pretty bad. People like Shiro (though I personally got more into his character thanks to akinoame's analysis), Tennoji, Masato Mishima, Kai (though Die loves him), King, Adel (for many people), Swartz, etc. Those who get fan approval are those that aren't in main like Ouja, Heart, Kuroto, Vail, Beroba, etc. There's also the brief final bosses like Arch Orphnoch, Sigma, Gamedeus, Giff, and I guess Suel kinda acts like this too. It's a shame though while I think Geats can break some of the things that I think are mediocre in many, like for example plot mysteries (I also think that Build stands out in this - both Build and Geats are among most fast-paced KR show IMO though), female Rider, fight choreography, it doesn't apply for the main villain too.....

Do you mean "villain Riders" when you said "main Riders"? Because you listed a bunch of villains instead of main Riders and talking about them. Hell, several of them didn't even transform into Riders to begin with. I always thought that the villains in Kamen Rider were fine, honestly. Nothing to ever really complain about from me, but I do get why some people might find them lacking.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I felt that Ace's character development has been complete, since ep. 38 of his reunion with Mitsume. getting an answer of why he's reincarnating, and getting a new calling of life based on that reunion and the reveal of his powers, of creating a world where everyone is happy. Now Ace is just the cornerstone among the good guys who shapes those around him and affect them. Keiwa's conclusion did come from him following Ace's teachings over Kekera's after all.

Yea, character development doesn't always need to last throughout an entire season. Sometimes characters just finish growing before the end, like Ace did.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Yeah this. Those who dislike something should also realize that it's their own opinion, and not that they're the only ones who are enlightened with everyone else, like the writers or showrunners, being insulted for not being like them or their tastes. Hating seems to be often used as a form of superiority complex, tbh, with declaring "I hate [x]" as "I'm superior and above [x]" in disguise. Like for those who hate a show and mock everyone who like it as sheeps or such. Honestly yeah, I'd like if hating isn't really revered as being rational on internet - it often happens that among opinions, liking something is looked down upon, but hating something is praised upon.

That's another thing I think some people had lost the ability to do; to just cut themselves off from media if they didn't vibe with it, and just try to avoid it altogether. Like there's no shame in just, avoiding talking about something that you don't like.