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Kamen Rider Geats Episode 48- "Creation X: Tsumuri's Requiem!" Discussion
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08-27-2023, 12:38 AM
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DreadBringer
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Originally Posted by
MKDremare
I think the issue that people are having is that they're trying to see Suel and Zitto as characters, when really they should be looking at them as forces/obstacles to overcome. They don't need any depth to their motivations or anything, because ultimately they're what stand in the way of Ace's and the others' goals of a world where no one needs to trample on the happiness of others.
Eh... Evolt still shows that you can create a villain that aren't just emre forces/obstacles to overcome. If that is possible, it should be striven for other creators. Gotta give props to something like, for example MCU, to not only create Thanos as biggest obstacle, but also someone with deep characterization.
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Originally Posted by
MKDremare
Do you mean "villain Riders" when you said "main Riders"? Because you listed a bunch of villains instead of main Riders and talking about them. Hell, several of them didn't even transform into Riders to begin with. I always thought that the villains in Kamen Rider were fine, honestly. Nothing to ever really complain about from me, but I do get why some people might find them lacking.
Yeah it's my mistake, I mean "many main villains of most Rider series".
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Originally Posted by
MKDremare
That's another thing I think some people had lost the ability to do; to just cut themselves off from media if they didn't vibe with it, and just try to avoid it altogether. Like there's no shame in just, avoiding talking about something that you don't like.
Actually you can. You can talk about something you dislike, like to still dissect its points and get a new perspective from others depending on how they reply to you. What I'd want something to be stop is using that to insult anyone who doesn't have the same view as them. It's not only about picking on those who don't like a popular show but, also those who feel "enlightened" for hating something.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
And if you're not a mathematician what's the problem? After all, we in this franchise accept the obvious lie that Decade is magenta. Plus. I am sure that in the world of quantum physics it is possible.
I mean if you claim that you don't believe in objectivity, you feel that you can claim that 3^2 is 6 or such like in the picture? That example is just a parable, it can be applied on many similar situation, try to think sheesh.
Again, criticism and absurdity work only if they continue to maintain logic. Sueru has no reason to please the audience. No real producer has that kind of power. Now, if access to the Goddess of Creation was provided not by the Gamemaster and the producer, but by the audience voting, this would be a completely different matter.
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Mesnick
Well, Beroba is hard to call a fan favorite. In my opinion, she was disliked from the first appearance. The viewers' favorites are rather Chiramu and Niram, whose influence on the plot is minimal, and the characters are flat, but nevertheless they are very popular.
Plus, given that Ex-Aid's V-cinemas are more closely associated with the main show than most of the others, Kuroto is still the main villain of the show.
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Zolda
If the Earth visited by Sueru/Ziin/etc is the real version of the past Earth (like the past Earth visited by Marty McFly in Back to the Future), then anything happening in the past WILL affect the future. If the DGP had destroyed the real Earth and humanity countless times in the past, then humanity would've been extinct, and the future Earth will also be greatly affected and Sueru/Ziin/etc and all humanity will never exist in the future. Just like Grandfather's Paradox in Back to the Future: If you go to the past and kill your grandfather, then your present self will be erased from existence. As I previously said, Geats is NOT a story about time-travel and Grandfather's Paradox, but a story about virtual worlds.
It's a common depiction of time travel in fiction, but there are no official mechanics of how time travel works. Just because it doesn't work the way you expect it in the most common form of its depiction, doesn't mean that you can impose what you think how it should work. The most common interpretation like Grandfather's Paradox is just still a mechanic in certain in-universe story written as fiction.
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Zolda
They
are
human, but not virtual humans like Kousei or Neon. Sueru is
also
a human, but in the virtual world/Ace's world, he's a God (with capital G). Sueru/Ziin/VIP's/etc are humans, where Kousei or Neon are just virtual humans, aka video game characters. The Sims characters can threaten humans? Yeah, right.
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Originally Posted by
Zolda
The protagonist strives to created a better world? No, he doesn't create a better world. He manipulates reality. He manipulates life and death. That is nihilistic. Well, his world and all its inhabitants do not exist in the first place. There's no meaning in things that don't exist.
Why do you really insist that those who aren't naturally born shouldn't be seen as equal? You know that the people who have that view are typically portrayed as at best assholes in those shows, the ones who would discriminate, prejudiced, and bigoted to what's "real" living being or not. And as above, tell me you haven't been paying attention without you telling me you haven't been paying attention. because future people are also virtual humans, whose life got designed and predetermined from their beginning to the end. It's how Kyuun relates to Neon.
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Originally Posted by
Zolda
My life is meaningful
precisely
because I only have one life to live. What do you do when you only have one of something? You cherish it.
Having only one life isn't the only reason to cherish it. You do your best as well as being mindful about other's lives because it's the right thing to do. Revival being possible is still not an excuse to go off on a murdering spree. And as said above, Geats isn't the only fiction piece of media or KR series that has revival from the dead being something possible smh, just sounds like you gotta expose yourself to more media.
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Zolda
Oh, and the protagonist who can create a world of happiness for everyone? That's so naive and shallow. Real world doesn't work like that. Like I said, Geats is a story that can only be written by people who are out of touch with reality. I'd rather let reality be the judge. Let the time prove whether these people's philosophy is in line with reality or not. Let the time prove whether they'll get a world of happiness for everyone, or a dose of rude awakening.
This just sounds like if you've never touched upon Kamen Rider series before. You know that many of the protagonists are those who have that kind of goal right? And many are also those who are more outright good from the beginning than Ace. And what if the world is crappy? Just because someone is aware of how bad life is and how mean people are doesn't mean they can't fight for the right anyway. And stop actually curbing their attempts to do so as something delusional or such... people like this would be the ones who normalize and maintain the cruelty of the world.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
But sometimes you have something to say about what you don't like. And sometimes even more. Negative reviews always get more views than positive ones. And even those who have not read the Divine Comedy know about the Nine Circles of Hell, but who remembers that Dante wrote about Paradise? And in general, it is a question of honesty. If you can write that Ghost is a bad show, then you can write that Geats is a bad show. And the arguments here are more of a bonus than a prerequisite, because in the comments about the same Ghost they are far from always given.
Yeah, I've seen a handful of time of people being proud of being negative for the sake of it due to thinking that it's more appealing and divisive. I know, negativity sticks out more to people, but something natural shouldn't be validated. I know that the reason can be that people are just more preoccupied with looking wrong, so they go for cynical interpretations of things because it?s an easy out. Being ?right? means they were right (even if their logic doesn?t conform), and being wrong is fine too since they took a ?conservative? position (no matter how extreme their cynicism was).
One shouldn't blindly praise something if it isn't perfect, but I want to show that being negative isn't purely mature or insightful, especially when you blindly make up lies for the sake of criticism, I mean as people can view those who are being positive as stupid and sheep (where being negative is considered mature and insightful), I'll uncover the same for those being negative, a prime example is if they resort to outright lies. I already said above about 'hating' but I'm just against double standard. It's not only about punching up (e.g. saying Geats is bad rather than Ghost). Not only Geats, honestly saying Ghost or any other show is bad should be less encouraged too, more talked and discussed upon first, more to I don't like the show especially if the reason is something accounting to taste like something being lighthearted to their dark tastes or such.
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MKDremare
A good review isn't just endless praising or endless ripping into a work. A good review is something that takes the good and bad, what makes the story work, and actually dissects on why that is on a subjective and objective level. But really there is no true unbiased review, everyone's going to have biases and whatnot.
Negative reviews aren't anymore diverse than positive reviews. That is a lie. I've seen negative reviews from different people that repeat the same fucking points over and over again.
And as you said yeah, good review isn't only about endless praising. What I like in reading in reviews is learning the points they dissect and getting more knowledge from those. It's why my flair is about a link to a Ryuki (and OOO) review that I think is the most well-written ever, even more than the posts/threads here (and the few thing I disagree in that review is something negative they said about a character).
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