[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Tell that to the panda, the bat and the pig. Moreover, this is still a show, so there should be a sense in such a decision. What is the reason to complicate the character of the guest character of the third plan with a trait that will not play in the future? Irumi then becomes a more complex character than her husband.

Different people - the panda, bat, and pig aren't universal representation of humanity and.... obviously less important characters, of which those are one-off ones (Kanato's barely above that), would be less fleshed out than the more recurring (albeit still side for Irumi) character. If Irumi becomes more complex than her husband, what's the real deal?

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Well, I'm sure denying all of Ace's reincarnations participating in the DGP will have a significant impact on his skills.

There are a lot that the characters don't know in the series. The characters don't know if Ace reincarnates, it's a mystery for them too, such as Niramu, only getting the answer after Boost Mark II comes, with Ziin figuring it out on his own. And I don't think that Suel needs a complex plan to go through the past or something, he can try more practical ways first if it's only about killing Ace, like ordering Goddess of Creation to erase Ace.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Plus, stoic riders in my opinion are Hibiki and Haruto, but guys like Tendou and Ace are already a level of phlegmatic detachment.

Yeah, and Haruto too has people claiming he doesn't have personality - you don't need to be larger than life type to "have" one (talking about those who view Haruto that way as wrong too).


Write, don't spell. All claims to Google translator. I'm too lazy to go into the rider wiki and copy the name of this worthless yellow thing.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

By the way, it's funny that Buffa and Tycoon both get their wish thanks to deceit, and fox Ace, in all three cases shown, just didn't need deceit.

This is honestly why deceit or underhanded stuff shouldn't be hailed as the only move that gets one ahead and encourage it in others. Ace has insane fighting skills, intelligence, strategy, and experience to get ahead. Keiwa got the shortcut too of Tsumuri being revealed as a Goddess. Michinaga is also a part of JGP, the powerful force that can challenge DGP (it's the one that can turn Riders to bubbles).

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

I'm not talking about Neon's desire, but about her relationship with her parents. Their love manifested / became noticed by the daughter and the audience only when Neon's life was directly threatened by a visible threat to them. That is, if such a threat had appeared earlier, then the reaction would have been earlier. That is, instead of escaping, Neon was worth the pills to swallow and she would immediately be loved.

Wrong. The parents got inspired by Neon's actions. Kousei views Neon as a tool, and expects her to bail him out in prison. In contrast, though Kousei can't make her a Rider (the reason she visits him), Neon saves him despite that it gives nothing in return. She later also gets through his emotional baggage to insist that he still has capacity of love and a room for happiness behind his reason to not erase Akari's memories. It's a regret, that Kousei didn't lose his capacity of love, but withholds said love to Neon by neglecting her for 11 years. The parents are also ashamed on how Neon manages to already find love by herself, by loving others including Kousei (in saving him despite their history) despite them failing to show her how to give such love, which is their remorse as they stated. After this, Kousei seeks to atone for his sins to become a proper parent, just that the story has it being done in history repeating 0 there are countless ways to display parental love, not only crisis situation like kidnapping.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Didn't when you talked about the kidnapping of Sarah by the Jamato Knight, didn't you consider caring for relatives to be selfish? I'm completely confused by the terminology.

I refer to parental move in how they turn into helicopter parent for their child, and claim they're doing that because they love the child despite that they're suffocating their life, like Irumi to Neon. In general about abusive parents:

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

And you can never pick up a musical instrument, but win the DGP and become the greatest musician in history. Does this sound like my comparison? In any case, Win could have been a hairdresser girl and nothing would have changed on the show.

That'd be actually different, cuz they actually participate in the DGP and legitimately win it. I don't know how the wish will work, but it can probably work in the magic giving you the knowledge to play some/all musical instruments? Same goes for hairdresser example, the wish may give you the knowledge in the field you want to excel at. Though Win is different as he already plays musical instrument before, but he also happens to be good in fighting as a trained DGP Guard.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

But then I have to wonder why Ace didn't just get himself killed immediately after defeating Suel Gazer, if that was the fastest way to obtaining his ideal world. He even admitted that he'd been planning this since that time, so it kind of renders everything else that happens in between pointless.

Like usual, I guess the conflict is about how characters don't know everything, similar to how the viewers do. Ace didn't know he has powers, thus he asks his mom why he's reincarnating. And after knowing he inherits her power, he doesn't know all about it either, like how he can only use it to retrieve some ID Cores before recharging by eating a lot, and that later he realizes that the cost of his power is losing his free will - by being petrified, he didn't know that at first regardless of knowing that Mitsume got turned into that. And finally, Suel's words made him realize, by resisting said cost of his power, he's trying to be still human and thus Suel makes him vulnerable to be shot. Ace realizes by this that his human body is his "limiter" and lets himself killed to get rid of that. So I guess, due to lack of knowledge and Suel's words.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Hmm, intriguing. Sara's tragic death might've been too much if it was done too early, like in the Heaven and Hell game, since there was already Ace's surprise defeat to punctuate the end of the JGP. So, I can see why Takebe put on the brakes for Takahashi's enthusiasm here, she understood Sara's emotional appeal and wanted to keep her alive just long enough to ensure the strongest reaction. This also allowed more time to observe Keiwa's subtle turn towards villainy, which some people were already unprepared for, while keeping Michinaga as a sympathetic character by placing most of the blame for killing a lovable character on the severe bad guys Daichi and Kekera.

Dunno but why I feel like if Keiwa's heel turn is done earlier, Geats may can fit all the ideas Takahashi have in the year-long format. If Sara's death and Keiwa's heel turn is done midway, since Keiwa's heel turn was one of the crux of the events in the final arc, and if it happens earlier, there may be more time to fit all the ideas within the show's running time. Won't want for Sara to be degraded (like Kekera does), but can feel that Sara-centered DR halts the story in the middle for "too" long to get the final arc rushed, with characters also being focused on to her like Keiwa and Neon being her bodyguards against Riders hunting her like Michinaga and Daichi. It's a shame to me that perhaps if this isn't done, Geats may become a perfect (or at least one of most complete) Rider series, but it now fell short of it, though without this Sara may end up similar to another woman that are the driving factors of the secondaries, like SAYOKO!!! or Kasumi in Build, and maybe another "bad" decision can still happen if there's something else dragged on....

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I like how the show makes a point that Neon's desire for true love is one of the most realistic and can be granted without DGP, but yeah, her lack of rivalries limits how she can interact with the villains and her motivation for joining Ace's DGP was to take Kousei's place, in contrast to Michinaga and Keiwa who had personal reasons. When I compare Mayu, who had a rivalry with Medusa and an arc of learning to move on from revenge, I think Neon was lacking content, only getting a little more than Win. However, I will still rank Neon highly as a heroine and probably also a female Rider, since the bar is low anyway.

Letting go of revenge... so that'd seem like usual implementing destructive emotions as a room for growth. I know that it's easier to write and work on human negativity and they have more, or at least easier content for that, but yeah, I guess I'd want for innate goodness to not be rejected in concept of writing and still be encouraged, though I'd wanna her room of improvement that still takes into account of that. But I thought Keiwa and Michinaga doesn't have personal reasons? Keiwa wants to protect remaining people, and Michinaga wants to destroy Jamatos, and Neon'd be the former as well? Just late-addition due to lacking core (but still protecting civilians). It seems that the bar for heroine can be higher (ironically than female Riders) though because there are "perfect" examples of it like Izu - but for rivalries, it seems true that in KR heroines often not get involved with "heated drama between men" much, including well-received ones.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Yeah, I'd be more okay with Ace's early arc conclusion if there were more scenes of him applying the morals he learned to new situations. Like, he's way too Mary Sue in this arc, everything he says inexplicably turns out true or has a secret reason behind it no matter how weird it sounds, like stopping Tycoon Bujin Sword from killing JyamaDaichi without explaining, or insisting about Daichi having a change of heart without any evidence to support his claim. It's too difficult to relate to Ace when there's no sense that he's vulnerable anymore.

At least I just see it miles coming that Daichi being kept alive is important to free victims like Sara, which Neon and Michinaga also did the same from Kekera and Beroba. Though for his monologue to Daichi, I did have a response about it in ep. 47 that you didn't reply yet, about how I think thoughts can be related if emotions aren't part, how about my thoughts there? T̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶r̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶u̶n̶r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶:̶p̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶,̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶a̶i̶g̶h̶t̶-̶u̶p̶ ̶g̶o̶o̶d̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶ ̶b̶o̶y̶ ̶s̶c̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶m̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶R̶i̶d̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶f̶e̶c̶t̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶'̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶w̶a̶y̶s̶ ̶h̶o̶l̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶a̶l̶ ̶h̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶g̶r̶o̶u̶n̶d̶.̶