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Kamen Rider Geats Episode 49- "Daybreak 1: Here Comes the Highlight!" Discussion
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09-06-2023, 04:22 AM
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Sh Ranger
Okay, I guess that kind of makes sense, if Ace wanted to test the limits of his powers as a mortal (Ukiyo anyway) before committing to his last resort. He might've wanted to lure out Suel first as well. I still feel like he's developed backwards in the end though, as he continues to tell his comrades they're better off forgetting and essentially forces his ideal of happiness on them instead of letting them decide for themselves, like what Neon planned to do to her fans in her depressed state. Ace is just spamming all his catchphrases at once in this scene and none of it feels right after everything they've been through together.
Yeah this one would be true to, like, why still telling them to forgot like usual - he doesn't completely grow out from several stuff. Though this seems to be presented as the cost/drawback of him ascending to godhood, of being parting from humanity and that he plays it calm and cool despite it being depressing outcome and separation between the cast.
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Neon had destructive emotions as well, when she wanted to disappear, so it's not like she was totally healthy either. Like Mayu, she was also forced to find a new motivation, due to circumstances preventing them from continuing with their original ones, but Mayu was more active in thinking about what being a Kamen Rider meant to her.
Yeah it's true, she has self-loathing type of plot. Or to be exact, depression (of which she
got praise
of it being portrayed
accurately and believable
). That do seem to be something more overlooked by irl viewers compared to, I guess, "hostile" ones regarding destructive emotions like revenge, like if characters like lead Riders has self-loathing and developint, it can get overlooked to claim they don't change at all. And depression is also something that is often stigmatized by people; people really should understand it better, took time for some research, and stop demonizing people with it. Many people are untreated and undiagnosed and get verbally abused due of their depression, like get labeled as wimps or crybabies, or being guilt-tripped, due to their own ignorance surrounding mental illness.
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However, I think there's no clear answer which narrative would've been better, since Sara's role as the "beacon" to both Neon and Keiwa was an important part of her character, especially during DR, so for her to be killed any earlier than that would've diminished her value.
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Maybe there should've been more scenes with Neon and Sara, after the latter's revival, or have some of Neon's fans be End Riders that she needs to save.
I agree, but this'd head back to the argument above if the middle arc didn't get halted due to Sara that can give more room for other moments (I don't think of removing Sara's DR stint entirely, but dunno if perhaps, being done in 1 episode just like Jamashin Buffa's Rider rampage in ep. 33 can be enough, for at least "beacon"; Takebe keeps pushing it until 40-ish episode though).
I do want to see various moments, not limited to Neon/Sara interactions after Sara's revival, but also others like talking about Win's survival, more interactions between the brought back Riders (can be done either in Gang Riders part or JGP as revived Jamatos other than Toru), or the cast reacting to not needing to keep things secret anymore, like Keiwa bringing up about his video diary, to Sara or anyone, or Neon using her stream to inform the public, about things only the cast knows unlike reporters; e.g. Daichi's true nature (t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶s̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶G̶a̶i̶m̶ ̶c̶a̶l̶l̶-̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ ̶:̶p̶,̶ ̶w̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶M̶a̶i̶ ̶t̶r̶i̶e̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶d̶a̶n̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶t̶f̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ ̶a̶b̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶H̶e̶l̶h̶e̶i̶m̶.̶.̶.̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶M̶i̶c̶c̶h̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶i̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶k̶e̶e̶p̶ ̶a̶l̶l̶ ̶s̶e̶c̶r̶e̶t̶s̶), or how Tsumuri reacts, etc. This feeling would be similar to how I feel about Ryuki btw.
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I guess it's possible for Daichi to infer the correlation between the hosts' memories and the emotions they felt while experiencing them, but I still think that would only be on a cognitive level, that he understands the cause of the emotions, which would explain why he sounds unsure about it in his dialogue with Keiwa, like how he finds mundane happy memories boring, even though the hosts would consider them enjoyable. It would be similar to my Evolt comparison, where gaining emotions doesn't inherently gain empathy.
True, of which I talked about Daichi only wanting mutual benefit in cooperating with the protagonists before, though now he becomes a good caretaker for Jamato from someone who eats their babies and has wish that is about co-existing unlike Archimedel replacing humans with Jamatos. Though I'd wonder what'd you think about the opposite scenarios, like for example how in Kiva, Rook becomes a gentle giant when he got amnesia (and other kind of
amnesiac villains join the heroes
plot), or your examples of people gaining moral compass from amnesia like Tsukasa (Destroyer of World) or Sento (Takumi Katsuragi).
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