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Redemption ark. Yes, no or only if...
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Guess in that department, Micchy has similar stuff, but more setup from the beginning than Gai was.
More doesn't inherently mean better though. Keep in mind that Gai is already middle-aged, the setup is history to him and this is why it's plausible how he can have so many crimes, whereas Mitsuzane is a typical Rider age and the scary part is that he commits everything
onscreen
. Gai had basically no friends to support him after he gave up Thouzer, for 30 years, nobody to challenge his increasingly warped sense of morality, until he met Aruto. But Mitsuzane had friends who cared about him, yet he still acted like a depraved psychopath towards them. Not limited to them either, as he also stole the Watermelon Lockseed from behind his brother Takatora's back (Urobuchi loves theft for some reason), which is early foreshadowing for the start of his crime career and shows his lack of concern with actually living up to Takatora's moral standards. I believe that Mitsuzane had no concept of loyalty to any of these people, as the only absolute to him was his obsession with Mai. Even Takasugi himself admitted that Mitsuzane deserved much worse than what he got, but Urobuchi had other plans.
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Regarding this, you wouldn't view Masamune as being redeemed right for being a help to Kiriya? Why wouldn't you view Daichi as the same way as Masamune in the end of Geats? Both are only doing that for personal benefit which happens to be done by allying with the good guys (for Daichi, it's his curiousity to humans he already had since his debut). Another comparison for Daichi might be another four-glasses insane evil genius Utsumi in Build, who sided with the good guys to avenge Namba, and by result benefits them, even having Utsumi shield them, but it wouldn't be redeemed too eh, he prioritized protecting the Lost Bottle and shows open spite to Gentoku still. I also wonder how'd you view Evolt's actions of fighting Killbus, cuz it's also an alliance done for mutual benefit that many people also mistook as "redemption", as usual due to glorifying villains for just benefitting the heroes.
No, I'd consider Masamune opposing Kuroto in Another Ending as the reverse case of Kuroto (and pre-redemption Parado) opposing Masamune in the show. It's simply fighting evil with evil, since Kuroto's and Masamune's goals are opposed and their goals are both bad. While the temporary truces benefit the heroes, they'd still have to take care of the surviving enemy once the main threat is taken care of. From a practical perspective, Cronus is a lot easier for them to take care of than Level 1000000000.
Daichi ("four-glasses", you mean four-eyes right?) was using evil means to accomplish a complicated goal, but now he has a different goal that can be accomplished through good means, so that's like, an antihero now, I guess. It has a good outcome for the friendly Jyamatos and a neutral outcome for the humans who are no longer at risk of being killed by him for their memories. At least, I'm glad Takahashi didn't make him totally good now, which is still more sensible than Urobuchi. Daichi's redemption or whatever you want to call it might've worked better with more episodes.
Killbus wanted to kill-bus everything. Evolt didn't want to be kill-bused. So Evolt had a selfish (neither good nor evil) reason for opposing Killbus and he even claimed to Ryuuga at the end that he'll come back to screw with Earth again after a vacation. Honestly, if someone called Evolt a good guy, he'd be offended by the accusation, seeing it as the opposite of glorifying. Like we discussed regarding Mikhail and Topeng Besi, bad guys fighting each other are still bad guys. Their intentions should be considered.
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