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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I do agree with law not being the be all end all of good (and I'm just talking about how in general fanbase do view being lawful as being the most good in general), but you're just having bleak view on chaotic ones (and Takumi being a loner isn't even an example). Didn't you talk about Franklin's philosophy of preserving freedom (with you complaining that it's something need to be advocated in Revice)?

But even Franklin used lawful means to pursue his chaotic ideals of freedom. He understood the importance of maintaining a reputation for credibility and affability to bolster his debates, which is something that Ikki and Sakura lacked when preaching the same ideals to Daiji. The smartest person in the room listens patiently, but the Igarashi siblings only speak loudly.

I'd still call Takumi chaotic good, as another example would be the deal he made with Murakami to revive Mari in exchange for joining Lucky Clover, which he betrayed. However, Murakami had previously betrayed his deal with Kusaka (who betrays everybody) after he was tasked with joining Lucky Clover, so there's chaos on both sides which justiFaiz chaotic means, same as mutually condoned stealing in OOO.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Chaotic good isn't about constantly breaking the law, they focus very strongly on individual rights and freedoms, and will strongly resist any form of oppression of themselves or anyone else. They don't value law not because they're apathetic to others' fates like you're implying (e.g. what others feel about them, which seem as in not giving a f*ck, when this sounds like they very much give a f*ck about others but with different approach), but because they value their own consciences (rather than duty) as a guide for good and when the law restricts their and other people's freedom.

Neutral good use whatever means to promote the most good, either tearing down a code of laws, following a code of laws, creating an orderly society, causing the breakdown of harmful kinds of order, or staying away from society altogether. Their only goal is to do good, full stop.

While too much of an either may be bad, the best solutions are not always the exact middle between two extremes. It's a fallacy called Golden Mean.

What I meant is that chaotic good types can be super efficient at preserving freedom, but their actions may inadvertently make it easier for chaotic evil to thrive, which they'll have to take care of later. However, like you said, sometimes neutrality is impossible and either chaos or law must win, so I admit the fault with neutral good types is that they take longer to make a decision than their lawful and chaotic counterparts. Like Wataru's half-and-half nature and lack of confidence making him conflicted between Fangire law and human law, until he eventually settled on his own chaotic ideals of co-existence (Kiva Emperor is a literal Golden Mean). Depends on the situation, I guess. Ultimately, good is good, so I can't claim that any philosophy of good is "better", only which one I prefer.