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Kamen Rider Gotchard Episode 10- "Kyoto On Fire!" Discussion
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12-08-2023, 11:15 AM
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Mesnick
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With it being the one where it's seen as having morals/message/lesson, while generally being perceived as more childish, it'd likely fall on deaf ears on older, more adult viewers who think they're above guidance, for example: showing solving problems by not fighting fire with fire, but they're consumed by their cynicism to think it's just contrived scenario to make good guys look good, and actual children may not realize if those kind of show may sugarcoat things because lighter shows may do that to preserve always happy scenarios, for example: those that claim "there are no such things as bad parents", maybe partly creating a society that believes parents are always "right" by default, and victim blame those who receive abuse under their parents.
In my opinion, this is an extremely unfortunate example, because in literally every rider show there were both bad and good parents. And in Gotchard and Fourze too. And if someone deliberately fixates on one aspect and ignores the other, then this is already a problem for the viewer. Plus, no child or adult bases their worldview on one weekly show. At least he has a life, games, other shows, finally. Even if Rider came out too one-sided, Sentai can always show the situation from the other side.
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And perceiving show in their own way isn't exclusively darker show problem, because there's something like
this
for superhero show, perceiving heroes are more violent than villains.
The study is frankly idiotic because it does not take into account the difference in the numerical ratio of heroes and villains. Obviously, due to the presence of armies of troupers, the villain faces more fights and the use of deadly weapons. By the way, for some reason I have complete confidence that the compilers did not take into account the actions of the villains? accomplices. Fuck it, and we lost the Cold War to these idiots!
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Any shows will create conflicts to solve ofc. It can involve something terrible. I can be offended at what certain scumbag does in a show I watch (e.g.Kariya objectifying Rinne) but it doesn't mean that the show is dark just for having scumbags.
Well, it?s debatable... I think that in the USA they would raise his age rating for this.
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And.... if someone never built up resentment on something terrible (e.g. racism, sexism, war, class injustice), but they don't personally experience, thus it doesn't warrant any anger or violence from them, it means that's not a real problem at least for them? That's just lack of empathy.
But the world is built precisely on double standards. Alcohol and tobacco are the same drugs as cocaine (and the addiction to tobacco is even stronger), but they are allowed. For some, simply expressing an opinion online means the end of their career; and the other remains a saint after driving on sidewalks and shooting at passers-by. People can be praised and cursed for the same actions. Even the examples you cited are full of cases where this was justified and condemned by the same people. Civilized people agree that class injustice is bad, but for some reason they immediately declare all countries trying to create a classless society to be branches of hell and impose sanctions in order to make life there as difficult as possible.
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The SoL in Saber's current time is led by Isaac which'd mean its members will play right into his hands before he's exposed. Fenix was founded by Akaishi (who also founded Deadman), Fenix is only Akaishi's means to achieve his goals. The leader being evil doesn't mean that they're traitor, particularly if they're the founder, they manipulate their underlings to do their bidding even if they joined and believed they were saving the world. And SoL/Fenix is just some examples I mentioned, KR "organization you serve is secretly evil" trope (as a part of Riders gaining power from something evil but use them for good). It applies too for BOARD, ZECT, AIMS, etc. And no, the blame is only about the Riders unwittingly advancing DGP robbing people's lives, ignoring that they don't know it. For the competition and deception the people will blame the DGP for using the Riders' desperation and dangling their wishes to pit them against each other.
I don't put personality above ideas. Swordsmen who joined SoL followed the ideals of the organization, not its leader. Even Shindai served the Master of Logos, not Isaac. That is, if there is a corrupt chief at the police station, then what is the fault of the honest police officers?
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There are lighter shows of which the heroes consistently tell sad people (e.g. orphaned ones) to put their sorrows away and smile/be happy. Which'd be how the show refuses to address their problem and just repress darker emotions.
It's difficult without examples. In everything that comes to my mind, such advice is usually given when a character has been doing nothing but being sad for a long time. Or he even wants to have fun, but deliberately holds back, believing that he has no right to do so. In any case, advice is not an order and it is not necessary to follow it. By the way, it also often happens that the suffering character goes through all the characters in the show, receiving different advice from them and eventually coming to his own way to overcome grief. In any case, I prefer characters to laugh rather than cry.
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