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Kamen Rider Gotchard Episode 17- "Moonbreak Messenger!" Discussion
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01-08-2024, 11:22 AM
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Zolda
This episode marks the debut of the new OP (or rather, a new version/arrangement of the OP). It's a nice arrangement, though I much prefer the first one.
Feels like this move would've been more appropriate for King-Ohger post-time skip. Sounds okay, but no way am I going to bother memorizing new lyrics for what's essentially the same song though.
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Zolda
Glion is carrying a golden Rubik's cube around. My girlfriend joked that he probably sucked at solving it that he transformed it into a golden one, haha.
That golden cube is one of the most useless things ever.
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Zolda
Atropos says that those doll-like artifacts are their/The Sisters' older brothers, so it's almost certain that The Sisters themselves are
also
homunculi. She also says that that doll-like artifact contains a lot of evil/malice. If The Sisters are homunculi, then what is Glion? Is he also a homunculus? Or is he just a normal human (albeit with a very high level of alchemy skills like Fuga)? What was the cause of his disappearance in the first 15 episodes?
This would explain how Atropos is the eldest sister despite looking like the youngest. If Geryon created the Dark Sisters from alchemy, then he probably moulded them in their current appearances. After all, we know that the 101 Chemies have been around for 120 years and they haven't aged either. Sucks to be Ojilacanth, stuck as an old man. Geryon is probably human though, or at least used to be. He may have been kicked out of Alchemy Academy for dark alchemy practice.
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DreadBringer
More stuff about Supana is revealed, so all he does is about his debt to Kyoka who saved him 10 years ago, and raising him to be the A-ranked alchemist, even including his "soft spot" to Rinne, it's because Kyoka asked her. Still counts that Supana's real soft spot is Kyoka, albeit Supana still rejects some of Kyoka's treatments like being fed on. They also think Fuga isn't a traitor.
Spanner has unusual standards for food, so I guess neither Houtarou's nor Kyoka's cooking appeals to him, but once more he accepts them as a courtesy. We saw that Spanner has some respect for Minato in Episode 13, but he especially respects Kyoka and listens to her advice, even asking if he should be more like Houtarou with how he uses Chemies.
Their talk about Fuga being innocent and wanting to protect Rinne sounds like foreshadowing about the mysterious Orange Gotchard's secret identity. When he saves Rinne from Neminemoon Malgam, he asks, "Are you alright, Kudo.... Uh, Rinne?", which may narrow down a lot. Virtually everybody in the show refers to Rinne as Kudo, but of course Fuga wouldn't refer to his own daughter that way unless he was trying to hide his identity. The fire motif could even be symbolic, as the last we saw of Fuga was him burning in fire.
The debate about whether the new Gotchard is red or orange can also be put to rest, as Houtarou very clearly refers to him as "Orange Gotchard", not red. However, there are still people who think Zero One is green and Genm is purple, even though they're called yellow and black in their respective shows, so I imagine some people will continue to refer to Orange Gotchard as red anyway. Personally, I've always thought he was orange.
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DreadBringer
After Geryon visits Minato, Minato apparently turns against the students, disbands the Academy as he thinks, the Dark Sisters are better in collecting Chemies. Other than the blue uniform, they have the same lower outfit, other than Clotho's leg warmers. So far, Minato just acts like his suspicion turned to logical extreme to view Chemies as a threat and forcibly seal them, also take away the students' cards and impose Chemy law. Here Supana is more fiercely protective of the students to stand against Minato and also teleporting them away, with the students being concerned over him.
I would've believed Minato was a bad guy at the start, but after how he was presented in the previous arc caring about Sabi's life, I think Geryon must be manipulating him somehow. Minato cites the recent betrayals as his reason for shutting down Alchemy Academy, but then the Dark Sisters appear as his new students and he henshins in to Dread, so it's not like he's even trying to sell them his obviously fake reason. Good timing for Kyoka's base to be revealed in the previous episode, as I think Team Gotchard will be hanging there for the foreseeable future, with Kyoka taking Minato's place as their leader.
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