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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

For primary Riders it's definitely unusual, as only Tendou and Tsukasa are similar types.

And Sento.

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To be fair, it's the Gochizos that ask Shoma to eat them, and Shoma adhered to that. Unless you mean about the part of Shoma seeing them as minions rather than friends/comrades. Though, it's an unusual case that it's the hero that is able to produce minions/mooks/fodders, rather than the villains.

Asking him is the weird part! Like, you would be confused if a cow asked to become cheeseburger, right?

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

Though there's nothing morally wrong to be sad over something traumatic, or to show concern over a tragedy that befalls others (e.g. the truck drivers), albeit it may drive someone to poor decisions if they're consumed by it, but so far it is the reason why Shoma is a goody two shoes. Eiji is what's considered the most noble protagonist even among the lead Riders (with other being Yusuke), and he's definitely this type.

Godai and Eiji are noble, but I'd say there are other Primary Riders who rival them in this trait. Shinji stayed true to his philosophy and fought to protect everybody, including his fellow Riders. Kenzaki is basically Eiji, except with a dead parents backstory. Takeru couldn't risk his life, so he risked his afterlife to protect everybody, even believing in Adel's goodness deep down.

Regarding Shouma, it's way too early to put a label on him like that. People did that to Secondary Keiwa and got angry when he turned out different. First impressions can be deceiving, so we should be patient and see how Shouma reacts to more complex moral dilemmata.

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

I think there are a lot more cases of character's names being meaningful throughout the franchise though than Hajime. Like, Shouichi meaning "first call", Makoto meaning "truth" (cop), Shinji meaning "to believe" (in brightness), Ren meaning "group", Shu(ichi) meaning "tumor", Tsukasa having a kanji for "gate" (dimensional wanderer), Hidari meaning "left" (Shotaro's the left side of W), Emu Hojo meaning "eternal dream" (gamer) + "life treasure" (doctor), etc.

Those are cool as well. I appreciate it when a writer seriously considers their names. The "Sin" in Sin Specter is pronounced "Shin", also meaning Makoto!

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Originally Posted by DreadBringer

While I disagree with using other series to put down another one, it can feel that by this, people think the opposite in putting other series to elevate lighthearted stuff like Ghost, Saber, or Gotchard is the right thing to do, because the people who dislike or criticize something so positive, uplifting, inoffensive and optimistic can be the ones condemned and deemed as a red flag (like how some may wish bad things on those who don't like Gentaro), particularly if by contrast, they like more edgy and grimdark series such as Geats (considered the culprit for Gotchard hate, before now Gavv may be that too), which can have them accused as terrible people who just wants to spread misery to others and glorify the dark parts of society.

Well, I wouldn't wish harm on anybody who dislikes such uplifting shows, as that would go against the spirit of friendship that those shows encourage. If Gentarou, Takeru, Touma and Houtarou wouldn't do it, then as their fans, we shouldn't dishonor them by defending them in such a hostile way, as that would make us the same kind of evil that those characters fought against.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Now it's off topic, which belongs in "General Rider's Thoughts", but since we're talking about it, I think that Tsukasa and Ace are actually the most different riders in the entire franchise. Ace is as goal-oriented as possible, while for Tsukasa only the path is important, and the goal, in principle, may be absent.

For Tsukasa, this would be the result of development. He was initially focused on his goal of finding his place to belong and only when he found his own world and got rejected by it did he finally find meaning in his friends with whom he shared the journey.

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Plus, how can you imagine Ace falling victim to Natsumi's super move?

I guess this would depend on the nerves in Ukiyo Ace's body rather than his personality. It's an involuntary reaction after all, which was used to expose the Tsukasa Worm in World of Kabuto.

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What these two riders have in common is only an initial negative impression, and that has a different reason. Ace goes towards a goal that, despite all his talents, he has not been able to achieve for 2000 years. Tsukasa is just a "passing Kamen Rider". The same episodes where Apollo Geist put Natsumi in a coma show the difference well. Even in later episodes, when Neon and Tsumuri gets kidnapped or Sara ends up inside a tree, Ace remains the same competent and aloof person. While Tsukasa runs around the city almost crying, pushing away those who want to help and asking for help from those who don't want it.

Yeah, this is where we can clearly see the difference between these guys, that Tsukasa puts much more weight in his emotions and connections, so once he realizes that his goal didn't make him happy, he focuses on what actually matters to him. Tsukasa found happiness despite his world rejecting him, while Ace had his world from the start, several lifetimes over, yet refused to enjoy it. I imagine Tsukasa would actually get ticked off at Ace's lack of gratitude for having so many places and families to belong.

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And in general, those who say that Tendou is similar to Ace should reconsider Kabuto and remember how capricious MC Tendou was. Do you think he would agree to play in DGP for more than a couple of episodes?

DGP is a game to obtain your ideal world, so Tendo who claimed this world was made for him would have no desire to change it, unlike Ace who has changed it repeatedly.

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The main difference between Tendou and Ace is that Ace is an empathic egoist. That is, he puts his own desires first, but at the same time recognizes the value of the desires of others. At the same time, Tendou clearly values ​​the wishes of Juki, Hiyori, and perhaps even Kagami above his own. But, at the same time, he is egocentric and therefore will strive to realize not so much their desires as his understanding of their desires. And this completely contradicts Ace?s worldview, which recognizes all desires (except for some controversial cases) and values ​​the will to fight for them.

Tendo is the sun, so he lives to share his life-saving warmth with others. The sun also scalds, but his heroism shines in the morals people learn when they meet him and strive to become stronger to confront him. While he shows the path of heaven, walking that path is a choice that others must make for themselves, so he won't help them beyond that. Ace sometimes has moments like this as well, teaching Keiwa not to trust in rivals and using DR to abolish DGP and create a world where happiness is free for everybody. Both characters value individuality, but while Tendo accepts his place in the world, Ace denies his place and becomes a god instead. Niram's speech to Ace is similar to how I imagine Tendo would talk to him.

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Originally Posted by Mesnick

Plus, we must admit that Tendou and Tsukasa have a much better sense of humor than Ace. Comedy is an important part of these shows and even the darkest of them, so it's worth noting that animal puns never made anyone but Ace laugh.

This is so true. Ace is cool when he doesn't try, but when he tries, he becomes a goof.