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Kamen Rider Gavv Episode 17- "Caramel Tentacles Taste Like Happiness!" Discussion
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01-10-2025, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by
Zolda
Dang, I've just mentioned 2 instances of Lage 9's previous actions, and @ 05:07 he does the exact same thing at a lecture room containing 17 people listening to a lecturer talking about common frauds targeting elderly people.
How ironic that the elderly get targeted in a seminar about the elderly getting targeted!
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Zolda
Shouma is telling Hanto @ 14:03 that he's commanded a Gochizou to follow the mysterious woman. Since no one in this story but Shouma is able to communicate with Gochizous, let alone command them, isn't this an indirect yet blatant confession that Shouma is not a human? After many pieces of direct and indirect evidence, and even confession, Hanto
still
can't connect the dots.
If precisely nobody but Shouma have been shown to have the ability to create and command Gochizous, then there's no reason from Hanto's perspective to suggest that this is inherently a Granute trait rather than a special effect of his altered biology. If he sees Vram doing it, then that's the time to be suspicious.
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Originally Posted by
Zolda
And it seems like the Doppudding RG can be used several times, unlike Shouma's RG's.
Caking hasn't died yet!
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Originally Posted by
gashatfreak
Also, Hanto is getting noticably more aggresive, especially after he starts suspecting Shouma is hiding something. I wonder if they're doing a Kamen Rider Ryugen situation and slowly building him up to become an antagonistic force later on.
Antagonistic perhaps, but I doubt Hanto would ever go full Ryugen. After all, he's a good guy who believes in justice and the only reason why he acts with prejudice towards Granutes is due to him not knowing any good Granutes. I think if he found out about Shouma, he would quickly change his mind. A good journalist will always listen to all arguments before reaching a conclusion based on logic and intuition.
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
If Vram is the show's third Rider, it could be the 1st time a Rider show eliminates a third Rider permanently, as Komura doesn't do redemptions (with Stacy being the exception).
What about Chaser?
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Originally Posted by
DreadBringer
There?s a concerning setup for both Hanto and Shoma. Hanto begins to doubt Shoma based on his reactions when Hanto wants to infiltrate Stomach Inc. In turn, Shoma questions his own character, feeling selfish for lying to Hanto and concealing his identity from Sachika. It?s unclear whether Shoma has an actual dark side or if he?s simply experiencing self-depreciation similar to Sachika?s feelings in ep. 8, but I feel this is him being selfish as I think a kind person should accept Shoma for who he is.
Looks like Shouma hasn't completely gotten over his flaw of denying himself the right to be happy. He worries that Hanto and Sachika would see him as a monster, since he also sees himself that way. Even though he calls himself selfish, it's more like he's not being selfish enough, as he should want his friends to accept him for his true self.
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DreadBringer
Vram?s debut is a pretty dope one; he really shakes up the battlefield while fighting Gavv and Valen, causing the ground to crack and launching them into the air. So far, his fighting style relies primarily on raw strength.
It's pretty impressive how Vram dominates the fight while making minimal movements and being bored the whole time. Such a flex against Gavv and Valen who are fighting earnestly.
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Originally Posted by
Eclipyon
Hey Zolda, have you ever considered that not everyone has a power bank? I myself don't have one too.
Me neither. I guess we must be unrealistic fictional characters, huh.
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Originally Posted by
Fish Sandwich
All this is to say it was a bit surprising to me that in the episode where the third Rider debuts, in a scene where all three Riders are on screen together right away, exactly one of them isn't wearing their main suit. It's not exactly a
problem
, especially when Valen having that axe is relevant to the fight choreography (and in very cool and fun ways, at that!), but... I mean, I'm honestly not sure how to properly convey why I think this stuff matters to anybody who doesn't already kinda get it. I guess the most important part here is that this is all like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is? I'm "complaining" about Gavv mostly to point out how high a standard I can hold it to. I feel like this show would think it'd be better to have everyone in their base forms at the end because it's the kind of show smart enough to realize a fully Granute Rider's first transformation should probably happen from his monster form to immediately stress what makes him unique.
Not even the worst example though. I recall Build RabbitTank and Cross-Z Dragon didn't stand next to each other until like Episode 30 or something. In Takebe's previous show, Geats MagnumBoost only appeared like once per DGP season, so if there's a decision to have Gavv default to Poppingummy for important scenes, then I believe this must come from somebody else in the staff. Otherwise, the form may actually have a purpose for the action, such as Gavv Kickingummy Assist being used for Valen's springboard tactic here.
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