[DreadBringer]

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

The passing-of-the-baton-to-the-next-Rider just... winked too hard, I guess? I was reminded that this is, fundamentally, a show aimed at children. The final Rakia scene underscored this: I suspect that this was added at the last minute because Rakia's death, with the rest of the cast never knowing what happened to him, would have been too sad. "I'm not lonely because I have a hero-powerup parfait to keep me company" is a *deeply* weird note to hit.

Death can be expected due to Build parallel and flashbacks.

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

The most interesting moment of the episode, for me, was the moment when Hanto offered a nonviolent ending to Liselle and Jeebh, and Jeebh *almost* went for it. Jeebh has struck me for a while as one of the show's unfulfilled creative intentions: it's felt like they'd intended to do something interesting with him, but never quite decided on what.

What'd you expect from Jeebh by this? I felt that for example, unfulfilled creative intention was George from Revice, where I expected him to make a real life Kamen Rider show for him to watch by aiding heroes and villains alike, regardless of what victim he'd claim by this. Ironically it seems that Geats is the one that seems to do it.

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

The internal logic of our heroes just leaving Liselle running around in the human world is... not apparent to me, beyond the showrunners thinking "maybe we'll tap her for spin-off stories." We'd established that she's master-villain powerful, she enjoys other people's misery above all else, she's utterly callous to human death, and I always suspected she'd kill Jeebh if he ever seemed entirely happy. Heck, they were hinting in that direction just a couple of episodes ago.
Instead, Jeebh sacrifices his life to save her, and I guess that works in an anime-story-beat sense, except their relationship was super-unhealthy.

Lizel was toying with Jeebh before, but as for this episode, she claims she now understands how Jeebh feels after suffering from her father's death, so Lizel doesn't view her as personal toy anymore. And Jeebh (as well as the other Stomach) is utterly callous to human deaths as well.

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Originally Posted by Tokumonkey

Still, I enjoyed Gavv for 49.5 episodes, and the last episode serving as, IMO, a relatively weak denouement only sours it a little. It was a fun (and remarkably dark) ride, and the snack-themed suits were charming in a Gaim sort of way. Next week, we'll see whether Zeztz will be as much fun.

Gaim and Gavv has the same producer so explains the snack and suits.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Amazingummy is a mortal Gochizou and can only be created under special circumstances, making it essential to defeat the strongest enemy Bocca. It would be wasted on a chump like Lango, who Gavv has already beaten before.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

On one hand, bigots are inherently illogical people who will spout all kinds of nonsense to deny that they're wrong. On the other hand, Lango made more effort to justify his prejudice in the Over/Master arc, claiming that humans are weak and therefore inferior from the perspective of Granute society. However, this was proven wrong in the following episode when Gavv kicked his a**. Not only that, but he is forced to rely on Gavv's power to defeat Bocca. It looked like he was starting to acknowledge Shouma, but instead, he insists until the end that Shouma is weak, which makes himself look completely stupid.

To be fair, Lango did learn from his previous battle, and does beat Over/Master Gavv now, due to his upgrades in wings. And I'd think by this point, Lango should've easily beat Shoma who's stuck in his weaker forms and live up to his claim about Shoma being weak, if Lango still has his automatic force-field (removed for unknown reasons) or using super speed (which he didn't, just like Kabuto's final battle). AmazinGummy against Bocca was a team effort, but AmazinGummy may be an equal in 1-on-1 against an upgraded Lango (winged) too.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

This is true. There are shows that are loved deeply by so many, that lesser praise like "it's good" risks getting dismissed as hate. As someone who mostly enjoyed Gavv, I do think it seems a little overrated, but maybe some of that is due to Gotchard, Geats and pre-emptive Zeztz haters exaggerating about it.

I guess this'd be expected for someone who has Faiz as favorite show, where it means you aren't inherently against miscommunication stuff (though we know it's not as severe as the memes exaggerated, like Takumi and Kiba stuff), or something illogical like bigots as you said above, which many people are and view those as a bad thing of shows/writing. It can feel that what's praised as strong character writing by Komura is about them maturely approaching things, of which the ones that don't would be considered wrong writing/characterization.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

It's interesting how Shouma never loses his resentment despite Dente's image of Bouche as a loving father, yet neither of them are completely right or wrong about him either. Bouche did terrible things with good intentions and this indirectly became the reason for Shouma's first big development of realizing that depriving happiness is wrong. For a posthumous character, he had a big presence in the plot. Considering how much Dente loved his family, he would be sad to know that only his youngest grandnephew and grandniece-in-law survived.

People'd think now that, Dente just blindly believes Bouche's claims like he did to Zomb ("No way Bouche genuinely wants to protect them, he doesn't even show affection to his own species let alone humans, he just wants to sadistically control them, as he already SA'd them"), They'd just think Dente is the completely wrong one, with Shoma being completely right one. Dente's an unreliable narrator due to him just blindly believing the best of his family, like what he did to Glotta that led to his death, where Shoma's assertion where Michiru always hated him was the correction for Dente (of which some'd claim Dente's opinion of Bouche changed after hearing that correction, though I feel those people are just projecting their hatred for Bouche on Dente), which'd make the accusation of Bouche SA'd Michiru growing ever stronger (it's unlikely for non-SA or even stockholm syndrome to happen in the claim of Michiru hating Bouche all the time, and yeah it's unlikely if she'd legitimately marry him as someone being kidnapped against her will). Also about how it's recurring that Komura makes her villains pure evil, and Bouche isn't the first about someone with implied SA that she made.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

I thought it was fitting how Jeep found love once more and performed a heroic sacrifice for Liselle as Theta did for him. However, it really bugs me that he never got a final confrontation with Shouma, considering how much they parallel each other. To a lesser extent, there were no scenes between Sachika and Liselle, but at this point I'm used to Sachika mostly being useful in the background. Even though Jeep found a reason to live beyond revenge, I still would've liked to see that acknowledged in dialogue between them, like we got with Lakia's speech to Glotta.

While Shoma has parallel with him, Hanto does have that too in how this final confrontation is about Hanto growing out of revenge compared to them, becoming more like Shoma. Albeit Jeebh claims he'd stop going after revenge after he helped Lizel, thus it seems to be the point that he doesn't go after Shoma, as how in ep. 41, Jeebh already realized how his revenge ways costed him, as well as some previous episodes of Jeebh talking with Shita's ghost about Lizel where Lizel can be her replacement to fill the hole in his heart, or Jeebh saving Lizel, though at that time, Lizel was still toying with Jeebh. so Lizel was confused when her "encouragement" actually cheers up Jeebh. Maybe it's just Komura refusing to give villains time for no Sachika and Lizel confrontation, as Sachika'd get scenes with other heroes as usual like her headbutting Shoma.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Hanto's role here is probably the biggest disappointment about the final arc for me. The entire first half of the show was all about Shouma's and Hanto's dramatic volatile relationship and yet, Hanto's last emotional moment was with Lakia, not Shouma. And as Valen, his last henshin is to clean up the leftovers (although, feels like every villain after Bocca's death is a leftover) after they refuse his offer of a peaceful resolution. Perhaps the staff are aware of his minimized role though, which is why he's going to the protagonist of the upcoming Guilty Parfait.

I guess, I'd inform that the last two episodes of this finale was directed by Satoshi Morota and not Gavv's head director, Teruaki Sugihara, who left the production back in ep. 46 with Shoma vs Bocca. Morota and Shojiro Nakazawa were given a big shoes to fill in Sugihara's absence. Even Takayuki Shibasaki who usually picked up the slacks weren't directing either. The result was the last 4 episodes of Gavv weren't executed as desirable as it could be. Though I guess dunno about what something bigger Hanto can do, as he's consistently the weakest among the three main Riders in Gavv. Hanto's last emotional moment was probably due to how he's going to part away from Rakia, unlike how he's still hanging out with Shoma at the episode's ending.

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Originally Posted by Sh Ranger

Overall, Kamen Rider Gavv is a Komura show, with dynamic heroes and stale villains. And I'm okay with that! I appreciate Komura's care for character interactions, at least for the main ones we're supposed to care about. This meal she and Takebe have cooked tasted no less and no more as good as I expected, but it was good and I look forward to eating it once more in the future. Compliments to the chefs and finally, here's my Reiwa Rider Ranking:

You didn't put Gotchard as new favorite show in this thread, though dunno if new show means completed one in that year or starting one.