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Kamen Rider Zeztz Case #1: "Beginnings" Discussion
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09-07-2025, 03:42 PM
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Meztzamero!
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Originally Posted by
Enchilada645
I think this might be Takahashi's strongest premiere for the Riders he's done?
I second this. The setting is effectively established and the plot has awesome momentum with the intense thriller horror feeling of the Nightmare scenes.
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Enchilada645
Also I was originally worried about Baku being potentially Ace 2 given the vibes when we first saw him. But this episode definitely sold me on him since he is way more than that. Real nice guy and I love the Spy Otaku aspect of him, just the quick shots we see of all his memorabilia really gives us a lot.
I actually see more Tendo than Ace in Baku. The dream world very much belongs to Baku when he becomes the invincible agent, while the real world also kind of revolves around him but in the worst way possible. I think Baku is one of the most relatable protagonists from the start, alongside Touma. He dreams of being an agent, basically a superhero, the same way us fans look up to such characters and wish our own lives were more exciting like theirs. I wonder if the grey eyes of DreamBaku are the main visual cue about which world we're watching, as agents will change their clothes depending on the mission.
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Enchilada645
Probably not going to comment on every episode thread, but I figured I'd do it this once.
I imagine there'll be more episodes you'll want to comment on eventually.
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Frontier
Don't worry, it's a kid show so he's only shooting the criminals with blanks! Also, I know it's a dream, but I appreciated how one of the thugs was a woman. Women can commit crimes too!
I mean, the criminals are totally imaginary, so I won't hold it against Baku if he does necessarily have to kill some imaginary criminals at some point, as agents are expected to do anyway. Of course, the non-lethal approach here shows off Baku's professional conduct and skill as the invincible agent, completing his mission with the least amount of death.
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Frontier
Every time I hear the English in this show I'm going to wonder if it's just in there for the "cool" secret agent factor and because this is trying to appeal to a worldwide audience.
Probably since Zero is based on the in-universe Agent 0, who might be British or something. And since the dialogue occurs in a dream, the language barrier does not exist.
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Frontier
It feels like we've been getting some great fashion plate Heroines as of late and Nem in that red dress is quite eye-catching.
Kamen Rider Lopo as a beautiful lady cop is pretty on-brand. Rinko would be proud.
Agreed!
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Frontier
I wonder...was the red dress Nem ever the real Nem at any point? Or will he not meet her until next episode?
Good question. Nem's bio states that she often appears in people's dreams due to her popularity and Baku specifically being her fan. So either the red dress was something she wore for one of her roles, or Baku just subconsciously thought she'd look good in it.
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Daikaijuman54
The Agent 7 is clearly a reference to James Bond, but I feel like it might also be a nod to him being the 7th Reiwa Rider
Totally and I think it could also be a reference to Drive, who is associated with the number 7.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
Again, my first problem with Geats was that there was a lot of Rider and not enough Ace, which made him not feel like the main character. To a lesser extent, Aruto and Emu were also often in the background. But if this show is really going to be built primarily around the main character, then Baku is a good choice.
Now that you mention it, yeah, Takahashi's previous protagonists got little focus at the start of their shows. Perhaps this is the advantage of Takahashi writing Zeztz with only the Primary Rider in mind, as he acknowledged in the conference.
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
Crazy theory: if in the future writers plan to send more people with different interests into dreams, Baku's gunfire can wakes them up. This will also make his bullets anti-death and draw an analogy with waking up from a loud noise.
I could see that! If a Nightmare becomes too strong, then Zeztz can try this to buy the victim some time until the next sleep.
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Originally Posted by
GoldenXtreme
Anyways, like a lot of people I had some apprehensions about Yuuya Takahashi, but honestly this premier was a lot of fun!
I mean, the criticism for Takahashi shows usually comes later. The first halves of EX-Aid and Geats and first quarter of Zero One are generally considered high quality, so I'm not surprised at all that I ended up enjoying this premiere. I hope to continue enjoying Zeztz for as long as it can maintain this level of quality.
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GoldenXtreme
In real life, Baku is an incredibly unlucky jobless adult who lives with his sister, like someone decided Ryotaro Nogami from Den-O should be played for drama.
Considering the Nightmares' power to affect reality, I suspect that Baku isn't actually cosmic-level unlucky at all, but rather the Nightmares fear his lucid dreaming power and are trying to deter him from the path of a hero through negative reinforcement.
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