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Kamen Rider Zeztz Case #2: "EXPLODE" Discussion
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09-13-2025, 09:21 PM
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Zolda
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Original, unedited post:
In the scene @ 01:57, Nemu tells Baku he's working hard as a secret agent even when he's sleeping, which shocks him because she knows that she's inside Baku's crazy dream. In the scene @ 09:27, when Baku tells Tetsuya that he met Nemu in his dream last night, Tetsuya confirms that he also always met her in his dreams. Even Nasuka admits that she often sees her in her dreams as well. Yep, my hypothesis in my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be quite correct in these scenes. So far, Nemu has only appeared in Baku's (and other people's) dreams and on TV ads/commercials/billboards/etc., but has never shown her real-life appearance like Minami, Tetsuya, or Nasuka do. That's very likely because Nemu is another dream-dwelling entity who only possesses incorporeal existence with no actual real-life existence, similar to the Nightmares, albeit she could be a benevolent variant of it like I hypothesized in my 2nd post in episode 1 thread
here
.
In the scene @ 08:06, Tetsuya tells Nasuka that if Baku has encountered a Nightmare, then there's a risk that he might commit violent crime. In the scene @ 16:44, Zero tells Baku that a victim who experiences the ultimate nightmare that involve a Nightmare is trapped in darkness forever and will never wake up again because the Nightmare takes over his body. Yep, my hypothesis at the end of my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be 100% correct in this scene. Tetsuya is having a firm hypothesis that the Nightmares are planting negative ideas inside their victims' mind with the aim of controlling/manipulating their behavior, similar to the internal logic in Inception (2010) when the protagonist Dom Cobb planted a negative idea into his wife's mind (Mal) about the real world being just another layer of dream which ultimately drove her to suicide, or when Dom, Saito, and the other protagonists tried to plant a positive idea into Robert Fischer's mind (about chasing his own dreams without living as his dead father's shadow) with the aim of making him break down his own corporation. No wonder Nox/the Nightmares' scheme is considered a national security-level threat by Tetsuya.
In the scenes @ 17:26 and @ 21:54, Baku/KR Zeztz manages to connect the dots and concludes that the Bomb Nightmare's victim is Tetsuya. Yep, my hypothesis at the end of my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be quite correct in this scene. The Nightmare victim of the week
is
a police officer, but not Tetsuya's coworker at the Tokyo MPD, but Tetsuya himself, so I was pretty much half-correct, haha.
Nox appears out of nowhere @ 21:58 and tells Baku/KR Zeztz that dreams are the the deepest, subconscious part of the dreamer's psyche and are a hideout for wishes that can't be fulfilled in the real world. Tetsuya is very likely having a dream where his co-workers would believe his hypothesis about Nightmares. His could be wishing his co-workers (including Nasuka) to believe his staunch (perhaps even obsessive) belief about the "black cases" involving Nightmares. The Bomb Nightmare hijacks that dream and twists it into a wish to destroy the entire Tokyo MPD building instead, albeit only in his dream, so far. So, if Baku/KR Zeztz doesn't interfere, then Tetsuya would likely succumb to the Nightmare's mind hijinks and fall victim to it, which means that his sane mind is replaced/corrupted by the Nightmare's and he would bomb the Tokyo MPD building in
real-life
.
Alright, off to church I go.
Mmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeee...
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Elaborated, edited post:
In the opening scene @ 00:01, a Nightmare intrudes a human's mind via the Heart's Door/the Soul's Door/the Mind's Door. I prefer calling it the Mind's Door because the theme of this story is dreams. Contrary to what happened to Baku last week in episode 1 when he was hit by the Nox-controlled SUV (and contrary to my hypothesis in my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
about Nox's modus operandi), this time, the Nightmare simply intrudes the victim's mind without being catalyzed by an accident caused by Nox's manipulation. This sneakier, subtler modus operandi may make the Nightmares' intrusion much harder to detect because it can be mistaken as normal dreams/nightmares.
In the scene @ 00:49, Baku is in the dream realm and he's being chased by several police officers, including Tetsuya. His mission from Commander Zero is to "stop the bomber". Who is the bomber?
In the scene @ 01:47, Baku manages to get away from the police officer's chase, and suddenly Nemu appears out of nowhere behind him. In the scene @ 01:57, Nemu tells Baku that he's working hard as a secret agent even when he's sleeping, which shocks him because she knows that she's inside Baku's crazy dream. She also says that she's just playing along to the setting of Baku's crazy dream. A Nightmare named Bomb Nightmare then appears and declares to blow everything up. Bomb Nightmare then attacks Baku and Nemu, but somehow she completely vanishes from the scene like a ghost after @ 03:22. Why is that?
Where does she go?
Don't know! Baku then transforms into KR Zeztz and fights Bomb Nightmare. Bomb Nightmare manages to get away and causes several police cars to explode. Right after that explosion, 1 of 3 Mind's Doors is opened. Those 3 doors could likely have some kind of symbolic connection with several important things within the victim's mind. If all those connections are destroyed, then the victim's mind would likely be untethered and become prone to manipulation by foreign intruders like the Nightmares (and Baku/KR Zeztz and the other CODE Riders). Perhaps if Bomb Nightmare manages to cause 3 incidents of explosion at 3 specific locations/settings, then all those 3 doors would be opened and the victim would be totally controlled/manipulated by the Nightmare. Just when Baku/KR Zeztz gets out of Bomb Nightmare's spatial manipulation trap, he's found by Tetsuya and the other police officers and is thought to be the one who caused the explosions. And then @ 05:59 Baku wakes up from his dream, and wonders if he can transform in real life as well.
In the scene @ 06:41, Nasuka arrives at Tokyo MPD HQ and encounters a crummy-looking truck that's actually the office of the Mysterious Incidents Division headed by Tetsuya, and thinks that she's being demoted. There she finds Tetsuya is sleeping, and he very likely pulled an all-nighter there, obsessively reviewing his "black cases", especially the most recent one involving Baku. Tetsuya seems like a typical hard-working yet one track-minded detective who is trying too hard to prove his hypothesis about the "black cases" and its connection to the Nightmares.
In the scene @ 08:06, Tetsuya tells Nasuka that if Baku has encountered a Nightmare, then there's a risk that he might commit violent crime, but she dismisses it because there's no scientific evidence for his hypothesis. The fact that Baku managed to recover from his injuries in episode 1 last week (or 2 days ago in the story's timeline) and was released yesterday from the hospital convinced Tetsuya that Baku was involved in a "black case". They follow Baku, and Baku recognizes Tetsuya as one of the police officers that chased him inside his crazy dream several hours ago. When Tetsuya asks Baku what the heck he's been hiding, Baku just casually shows him the Zeztz Driver and tells him how he got it after he woke up from his nightmare in episode 1. In the scene @ 09:27, when Baku tells Tetsuya that he met Nemu in his dream last night, Tetsuya confirms that he also always met her in his dreams. Even Nasuka admits that she often sees her in her dreams as well. Yep, my hypothesis in my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be quite correct in these scenes. So far, Nemu has only appeared in Baku's (and other people's) dreams and on TV ads/commercials/billboards/etc., but has never shown her real-life appearance like Minami, Tetsuya, or Nasuka do. That's very likely because Nemu is another dream-dwelling entity who only possesses incorporeal existence with no actual real-life existence, similar to the Nightmares, albeit she could be a benevolent variant of it like I hypothesized in my 2nd post in episode 1 thread
here
. I wonder if there's anyone in Baku's real world who has ever met Nemu in real life and do the usual things fans do like shaking hands, taking photos, requesting signature, etc.. There could be none of them.
Baku also tells Tetsuya that he encountered a demon-like creature, which Tetsuya optimistically confirms as a Nightmare. Of course, Tetsuya is hyped up and asks Baku what kind of dream he had last time, and Baku tells him that he was being chased by several police officers and saw several police cars blowing up, which surprises Tetsuya because he had the exact same dream yesterday. Based on Baku's information, Tetsuya quickly connects the dots and optimistically concludes that if two people have then same exact dream, then it's a "black case" and involves Nightmares, much to Nasuka's dismay. Tetsuya tells Baku that Nightmares are mysterious monsters that appear in people's nightmares. Nasuka dismisses it as a mere urban legend or occult stuff, and she thinks that the police's job is to solve real-life crimes, not thought crimes and imaginary villains. Tetsuya isn't faltered by Nasuka's dismissive remarks, and states that his dream is to be a police officer and he wants to believe in his Mysterious Incidents Division. Meanwhile, Baku can say and do nothing when he sees them bickering, haha.
There's something really weird in this scene. Baku said @ 05:59 when he woke up from his dream that he wondered if he could transform in real life as well. If so, then why didn't he test it and simply transform inside his room/apartment?
Why bother to go outside and bring the Zeztz Driver with him as well?
Why should he go out in a public place just to transform?
The answer is clear: Because the plot needed him to do so. If he stayed in his room/apartment and test his transformation there, then he wouldn't have met Tetsuya and Nasuka, and he wouldn't have shown them the Zeztz Driver, and he wouldn't have been told the crucial info about the Nightmares by Tetsuya. Yep, plot convenience, as usual. If Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi needed to make Baku meet Tetsuya and Nasuka, then why didn't he simply make Tetsuya and Nasuka visit Baku in his apartment and then invite him into the MID's crummy office-truck later to explain the details?
Baku's a jobless loser, so there's a 99% chance that he's always at home, haha.
It's not so bad if Baku actually ends up attempting to transform in real life after @ 11:57, but that doesn't even happen at all. Baku ends up
not
doing it. These scenes @ 08:06-11:57 just scream lazy writing, one of Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi's favorite tactics.
Zeztz 02 @ 06:28
In the scene @ 13:14, it's 3 AM and Baku can't sleep because he keeps thinking of his transformation in episode 1 that happened 2 days ago. He's suddenly contacted by Commander Zero via the Zeztz Phone. He can't speak English in real life, so Commander Zero needs to switch to Japanese. Commander Zero tells Baku to open his wardrobe, and it's now connected to the exact same mysterious place that he saw in his dream in episode 1 2 days ago. Commander Zero says that it's an operation room that he prepared for Baku to carry out his mission as an agent for CODE. Commander Zero then reveals himself as the robot-bike. My hypothesis in my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be quite correct in this scene. Zero in the real world is a robot-bike that contains the consciousness of Commander Zero, albeit only as a remote control mechanism, not mind transfer. Zero the robot-bike in this story works quite similar to Fuuga Kudou/KR Wind's multiple surrogate bodies in KR Gotchard, which were identical homunculi that were remote-controlled via a telepathic link. Commander Zero could be an incorporeal, dream-dwelling creatures similar to Nemu and the Nightmares like I hypothesized in my 2nd post in episode 1 thread
here
, but he could also be real human (like Baku, Minami, Tetsuya, Nasuka, etc.) who have a real body that's kept in a safe location.
Oh, and the fact that Commander Zero has kept pushing Baku to go on missions means that he could very likely have an ulterior motive like I've hypothesized since my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
. Commander Zero is instructing Baku to do several missions and yet Baku has done it without questioning why, similar to what Sou Fueki/Carbuncle Phantom/KR Wiseman did to Haruto/KR Wizard, or what Evolt-possessed Soichi Isurugi/KR Evolt did to Sento Kiryu/KR Build. These dumb protagonists (probably including Baku) did what the manipulators told them to do without any questioning simply in order to move the plot, and they were later shocked when the people who told them to do the things they did turned out to be the manipulator of the story. They never asked, "What's the catch?", and were shocked when they discovered that they've been manipulated. Surprise, surprise. I dislike these kinds of idiot plot because they're so predictable. If I'm a writer and I want to write a story that involves an ultimate manipulator, then at least make him obviously suspicious like Shiro Kanzaki from KR Ryuki, who not only was already suspected of being the manipulator by Shinji Kido/KR Ryuki since episode 2 but also offered something uber-grandiose (i.e. the wish from the power of the Mirror World) to those he manipulated, which made his manipulation look even more ridiculously obvious, yet very very
very
enticing. Or, at least, tie several trustworthy characters to the manipulation as smoke and mirrors to obscure the manipulation like Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi himself did in KR Ex-Aid where he used 2 trustworthy characters (Haima Kagami/head of CR division and Poppy Pipopapo/Asuna Karino) as 2 unknowing pawns in Kuroto Dan/KR Genm's grand scheme of manipulation. Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi did many things right in KR Ex-Aid (although he did many more things wrong), but strangely, instead of getting better, he got worse with each new series/films, with KR (God forbid) Geats as the ultimate peak of his atrocity. So, is Commander Zero the manipulator villain of this story, or even the mastermind villain like I've hypothesized since my 2nd post in episode 1 thread
here
?
Don't know! Only time will tell.
In the scene @ 15:56, Zero opens a door that reveals several Gashapon machines that contain the Capsems (this season's transformation trinket). How do CODE manage to get their hands on these Capsems?
How are they created?
Were they created from previous missions by the previous agents (#0/Commander Zero-#6), or are they simply manufactured by CODE?
I hypothesized in my 4th post
here
that the method of producing Capsems could be via certain people with their own specific dreams, similar to how the Eyecons in KR Ghosts were produced, but that doesn't seem to be the case, nor are they produced by defeating Nightmares, because in episode 1 last week Baku/KR Zeztz managed to defeat Gun Nightmare, but it only dispersed into particles that form a purple butterfly, likely the same purple butterflies Nox was shown to be spreading in the teaser videos. It'd be so convenient if CODE can simply manufacture the Capsems.
In the scene @ 16:44, Zero tells Baku that a victim who experiences the ultimate nightmare that involve a Nightmare is trapped in darkness forever and will never wake up again because the Nightmare takes over his body. This pretty much confirms Tetsuya's hypothesis @ 08:06 when he tells Nasuka that if Baku has encountered a Nightmare, then there's a risk that he might commit violent crime. Yep, my hypothesis at the end of my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be 100% correct in this scene. Tetsuya is having a firm hypothesis that the Nightmares are planting negative ideas inside their victims' mind with the aim of controlling/manipulating their behavior, similar to the internal logic in Inception (2010) when the protagonist Dom Cobb planted a negative idea into his wife's mind (Mal) about the real world being just another layer of dream which ultimately drove her to suicide, or when Dom, Saito, and the other protagonists tried to plant a positive idea into Robert Fischer's mind (about chasing his own dreams without living as his dead father's shadow) with the aim of making him break down his own corporation. No wonder Nox/the Nightmares' scheme is considered a national security-level threat by Tetsuya.
I have a new hypothesis based on the new information in this scene. I hypothesized in my 5th post in the general KR Zeztz thread
here
and in my 2nd post in episode 1 thread
here
that Nox could be a former agent of CODE who either went rogue or was captured by the mastermind villain and then mindwiped/mind-controlled by the mastermind villain, but there's another possibility. Nox that has appeared so far could be just a Nightmare that took over the mind of the real Nox when he was defeated and succumbed to the Nightmare's attacks. Heck, Nox could even be just his pseudonym, or even the Nightmare's name, not his real name. If Nox as a CODE agent/Rider did manage to penetrate into the deepest layer of the dream world, then it's very likely that Nox's real self is still imprisoned behind his Mind's Door and hidden somewhere deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep inside the labirynth of his subconscious mind, similar to how Tetsuya's real self is imprisoned behind the Mind's Door when Bomb Nightmare momentarily takes over his mind and creates ruckus outside in his dream world. The subplot of rescuing Nox's real self from the labirynth-esque prison of his subconscious mind could be similar to the subplot near the end part of Inception (2010) where the protagonists attempted to rescue Saito from the limbo since his part of the mission was sabotaged by Mal's projection that was created by Dom's subconscious mind.
In the scenes @ 17:26 and @ 21:54, Baku/KR Zeztz manages to connect the dots and concludes that the Bomb Nightmare's victim is Tetsuya. Yep, my hypothesis at the end of my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
is proven to be quite correct in this scene. The Nightmare's victim of the week
is
a police officer, but not Tetsuya's coworker at the Tokyo MPD, but Tetsuya himself, so I was pretty much half-correct, haha.
Nox appears out of nowhere @ 21:58 and tells Baku/KR Zeztz that dreams are the the deepest, subconscious part of the dreamer's psyche and are a hideout for wishes that can't be fulfilled in the real world. Like Tetsuya said @ 11:28 that his dream is to be a police officer and that he wants to believe in his Mysterious Incidents Division, he very likely has a dream where his co-workers would believe his hypothesis about Nightmares. His could be wishing his co-workers (including Nasuka) to believe his staunch (perhaps even obsessive) belief about the "black cases" involving Nightmares. Bomb Nightmare hijacks that dream and twists it into a wish to destroy the entire Tokyo MPD building instead, albeit only in his dream, so far. So, if Baku/KR Zeztz doesn't interfere, then Tetsuya would likely succumb to the Nightmare's mind hijinks and fall victim to it, which means that his sane mind is replaced/corrupted by the Nightmare's and he would bomb the Tokyo MPD building in
real life
.
Next week:
Bomb Nightmare is very likely inspired by Tetsuya's frustration that results from the failure of his Mysterious Incidents Division. Tetsuya is frustrated that his career is going nowhere because he's wasted his time and effort chasing the end of the rainbow that is the "black cases". This frustration with his stagnating career could be why Bomb Nightmare aims to blow up the Tokyo MPD building (and very likely Japan's entire police force) in the dream world. Tetsuya's confidence would likely be restored when Baku confides to him that he's KR Zeztz and that he believes everything he's said about Nightmares and the "black cases", making Baku the very 1st person on Earth who genuinely believes his hypothesis. This could also mean that Tetsuya (and Nasuka) could be working as Baku's direct supporters beginning in episode 4. I wonder if Baku tells them about CODE as well.
On the other hand, the preview section shows that Bomb Nightmare could likely manage to break out and take over Tetsuya's mind when he managed to blow up Tokyo MPD HQ. Like I hypothesized in my 1st post in episode 1 thread
here
, when a Nightmare manages to destroy a victim's dream, that Nightmare could give birth to one or several Nightmare seeds/proto-Nightmares (the purple butterflies) that are managed by Nox, which means that Nightmares might replicate like viruses. Perhaps it's already too late and the purple butterflies have already spread, but at least Baku/KR Zeztz manages to defeat Bomb Nightmare and prevent him from taking over Tetsuya's mind. Like I hypothesized above about Nox, the subplot of Baku/KR Zeztz rescuing Tetsuya's real self from the prison of his subconscious mind could be similar to the subplot near the end part of Inception (2010) where the protagonists attempted to rescue Saito from the limbo.
Zero tells Baku that if they don't stop the Nightmares, then the world will be destroyed. It's still episode 3, and the story is already talking about the destruction of the world?
Why not let the momentum grow naturally?
Why not slowly build it up to arouse the viewers' curiosity and keep the viewers interested?
It seems like patience is a virtue
not
possessed by Yuuya "The Indefensible" Takahashi.
Additional hypotheses:
- The surreal-looking red half-moon that appears in the dream world (even during day) could be the Nightmares' HQ. Or at least, it could have a connection to the Nightmares.
- There could've already been several victims of Nightmares that managed to be taken over. These people whose mind have been corrupted/taken over by the Nightmares could've included important figures such as ministers, top politicians, police/military top brass, intelligence officers, etc., and they could be playing a crucial role in covering up the "black cases" from the public's eyes, and even subverting humans' society by conspiring with other field generals like Nox behind the scenes.
Mmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeee...
Last edited by Zolda; 09-14-2025 at
08:06 AM
.. Reason: Added elaborated post.
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