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Kamen Rider Zeztz Case #17- "Pursue"- Discussion
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Originally Posted by
GoldenXtreme
Honestly if I do have ONE complaint right now, it's the fact the Dreamers still often feel like afterthoughts amid all of the other drama, but it's a minor issue.
This two-parter in particular felt very much in the balance I felt Ex-Aid always had that used to bother me. The guest character gets their scenes in among everything else going on, with the absolute essentials of a clear beginning, middle, and end to their personal story, squeezed in with an almost
brutal
sort of efficiency that I could argue whispers
"...but let's get back to the *real* characters already"
the whole time, if I still felt like making that argument. I just sorta don't mind it being like this anymore though? Brutal or not, the time *is* used efficiently, resulting in a plot thread that's still totally
complete
, and as long that part is true, and you can also clearly see why an episode wanted to focus more on other things (which I think is easy here), I think I could also argue this sort of formula is a happy medium that allows a series to actually still show the hero helping people regularly even when the drama hinges much more on the ongoing conflicts between the main characters.
Personally, if I'm going to question anything about the Dreamer plots, it's how often Baku has turned out to just walk up to people and be like "hey remember me FROM YOUR DREAMS???" and be able to get people to go along with it without too much hassle. I'll stress that I'm not
complaining
about this at all, because I think it's obvious why the show would want to handle things this way. I mostly just find it interesting because it's another assumption I had about ZEZTZ that's turning out to be ~somewhat~ mistaken? With a central hero who fights mostly in dreams, and the emphasis on Black Cases as these things Fujimi can't prove Nightmares are the cause of, I figured they were going for that vibe a lot of the early Heisei stuff especially had where it's this secret conflict between good and evil happening off in the shadows of a world you can imagine is your own... and it isn't *not* that, but it's also turning out to have the sort of "
open
secret conflict" style I associate more with the back half of the Heisei shows. I guess I just didn't expect that for some reason?
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Originally Posted by
Mesnick
By the way, is that why Zero uses a robotic body?
Eventually I'm going to run out of chances to ask this, so, while I still can --
are we *sure* the reason Zero uses a robotic body isn't because he's a robot?
The fact that NOX, the self-proclaimed "one who knows all", buys the remote control explanation puts something of a dent in that idea, but like, that can still be technically true if they end up saying he's like, a
program
or something?
It's just that there's that one line of dialogue from episode 2 and the handful of lines afterwards validating it, up against a
mountain
of scenes of stuff like Zero sniffing tea/fuel, brooding all alone in the ZEZTZ Room, reacting in pain when NOX hits him during their fight, not being able to take a phone call after getting blown up... I just, I sorta trust what my eyes can
see
in this show more than what the dialogue tells me, and they've gone so far out of their way at this point to ingrain in the viewer that the bike functionally IS Zero -- constantly doing the exact opposite of emphasizing the Zeroider's alleged status as a mere drone -- that it seems like one of those absolutes that will never be betrayed no matter how much the status quo shifts.
There's a lot about that they'd need to square away later, but it's really difficult for me to imagine anymore they'll ever just have Some Guy show up and try to tell us it's the "real" Zero. Like, even if this is one of those things I'm completely wrong about and there is in fact Some Guy out there, I don't think we'll get much more of a glimpse of him than we already have?
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DreamSword
NOX might be a callback to Mutsuki
That's a surprisingly compelling case you've got there (I kinda forgot Mukki had his whole thing about the darkness too), but I will note a crucial difference between the two characters -- NOX actually *is* cool, instead of just desperately trying to be.
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