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I usually associate angelic motifs more with good than law though. Kagerou is literally called Evil after all, so it's reasonable to presume that Daiji would represent good, considering how he's always talking about right and wrong, which are specific to the good-evil axis, not the law-chaos axis. It just happens that the devils are the lawful party here, but they're lawful evil, so siding with them doesn't mean Daiji's on the side of good, only that he sees it as the only viable option to protect lives at the cost of their smiles. It's a decision based on fear and regret over killing Kagerou, which is part of what makes it hard to understand his motivation and the way he acts.
I guess I was also refering about how Daiji's someone the most uptight and professional among the family, and that his conflict with Ikki at ep. 4 was about Ikki's lack of professionalism in being a Kamen Rider, or him being stern against for anyone who screws up at ep. 24, for what I think is the "order" part, while Kagerou's definitely wanna do whatever pleases him. But anyway I talked about both the good-evil and law-chaos axis (the force of good being too hardcore part).
For Daiji's personality, I feel like, how humans worked here with their demon seems to be like on/off switch button. Kagerou leaving his body, Daiji had drastic turn (but still make sense) of going from righteous to self-righteous. Kagerou coming back to his body, it's like activating the switch that turns Daiji back into his usual tactical, actually righteous self. Though there's a symbolism in even both events, him 'killing' Kagerou, who is unhinged and doing wrong things, is a symbolism about how Daiji can't ever see himself as unhinged and in the wrong. Him accepting Kagerou back, shows now he acknowledged that he can be unhinged, self-righteous, or in the wrong.
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Even before George's confession of repentance, I still think he had some level of respect for Hiromi, to give him the opportunity to punch him. Like he thought he deserved to be punched and was willing to take it without resisting. In Hiromi's case, the first time he probably decided the punch wouldn't make him feel better and the second time was him finally forgiving George with the gentle tap on the chest. It makes sense that George would feel resentment towards his father Masumi now, as that devil transplant likely contributed to his irresponsible behavior that damaged Hiromi's body.
But which part were you talking about here? Episode 39? Then yeah that's
also
after George seemingly shed his Masumi demon long ago (which was probably ep. 25, the time his behavior changed) and his vow to help Hiromi at ep. 29. I refer to how the devil transplant's behavior that damaged Hiromi's body wasn't George caring about Hiromi deep down (or Hiromi at that time after realizing what he's up to), as even in that ep. 39 George also apologized for that.
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I mean, if I just got released from a slimy cocoon and suddenly had a guy grabbing me by the collar with a fist in my face, I don't think I'd be in such an amicable mood either. Olteca's petty insult was definitely provoked. I do agree that his crimes shouldn't be taken lightly though, he has a lot of making up to do for sure. But it's not like he's a wealthy president, so there's little need to worry about the show over-rewarding him. If Genta and Daiji can start over by forgiving themselves, then it makes sense that Olteca should be able to do the same. I also want to know what his deal is, since Vail's line about how he "smells like a devil" is still a mystery.
Regarding his antagonism towards Tamaki and Aguilera, I actually have a headcanon about that. I think he might be a tsundere, since it's common for those types to act tough and cold as a way to hide their true feelings. This could have contributed to Olteca's sadness about being misunderstood, if he's deliberately shutting people out so he won't get hurt again like what he experienced in his childhood.
Sorry for the following but, why'd he gain some justification when, being trapped in a slimy cocoon is a karmic fate after sacrificing so many to Giff (yeah he has been there for time being, but people with crime on that scale or even lower would be held for much longer)? Feels as if the world is centered around him only because he got abused (and it's probably only the dad, being "misunderstood" for being intelligent is something more common and it's not merely about typical "tragic and dramatic" backstory, it's about how it can give them isolation, have trouble relating, a number of bookish/intelligent kids being quiet and reserved). Also I'm pretty sure putting him in provoked state would be far easier than just trapping him in slimy cocoon.
And to be honest, I'm kinda sick of that "tsundere" excuse (this trope is actually often used and played in toxic manner, like if it's used on females). By this, then what is the real example of someone genuinely acting malicious and to distinguish those from the "tsundere" ones? Because this type of excuse, can be used on
anything
, like I've found those who invoke "tsundere" stuff in murderers as in "killing everyone means giving them their own freedom" to make up something "good" ("dere") in them, and that's in someone who did bad things for fun, not the self-righteous ones. Seems like "tsundere" excuses like this abuses the "inherent goodness of human nature" (as "dere" part) to not hold someone or their actions accountable.
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