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Kamen Rider Die watches Kamen Rider Zero-One (and builds SO-DO)
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08-20-2022, 08:08 AM
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I'd hugely disagree with this. Horobi's more dangerous in that his vision for the future is less nihilistic than the Ark's, and his power is in the strength of his convictions. The Ark was an easy villain to defeat because it was two-dimensional. Horobi's going to be harder to defeat because he has a point.
As in Japanese spirit tropes, conviction and resolve can strengthen someone (though it also can lean into BS levels like "power of friendship" meme if handled poorly), but, just inner character strength can only take you so far. Ark was easily beaten by Aruto (as Zero-Two), but Horobi is even weaker than the easily-beaten Ark. It's just clear that Zero-Two carried the fight against Ark. Zero-Two doesn't need Horobi's assistance to beat Ark. And ofc, it takes idiocy (Aruto acceping Azu's deal, and taking Ark-One Driver,
even if he still has Zero-Two
) to keep Horobi being a "threat", as this episode shows.
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KAMEN RIDER ZERO-ONE EPISODE 42 - ?AS LONG AS MALICE EXISTS?
So much of what happened in this episode felt barely thought-through and flimsily explained. In order for the twist of Aruto being Ark-One to land, it takes almost an entire cast of characters (I guess Naki and Ikazuchi took a spa day?) to act like idiots. We need Izu to decide to skip out on telling Aruto about Horobi?s plan, which the entire Humagear population knows about, so she only manages to delay him by a scene. We need Izu to continuously place herself in mortal danger to prove that a genocidal terrorist
in the midst of genocidal terrorism
is willing to entertain an opposing viewpoint. We need three separate members of Team Zero-One to allow Horobi to walk out the door after killing Izu. (This is the big one. Why do people keep treating Horobi?s departures like the toku equivalent of saying Good Game?
Why in the world would you let him wander off after executing Izu?!
) We need Aruto to be so overcome with grief that he?ll take up the mantle of the same villain he worked to detonate over the last dozen episodes.
Overall yeah, I agree for this one. Zero-One has a handful idiotic moments, not only in this episode, but also happened several times in the past. Like Gai not finishing his buyout before launching the competition, Fuwa dangling the ZAIA Spec that had evidences contained inside (easy target for Gai to destroy), Aruto (you complained about him jumping into fight before as idiotic moment instead, for Metal Cluster Hopper..), Jin & Yua's plan to disable Ark, even Ark not removing MetsubouJinrai.net members' free will, etc. There's more idiocy than just what you said here, later Aruto, after watching Izu got killed in front of him, wasn't suspicious of Azu approaching him, despite that the only disguise she did was adding blue streaks on her hair (instead of red), but her hair is still long, not short like Izu's, and he accepted Ark-One Driver despite that Zero-Two would easily beat Horobi. Izu approaching Horobi is also done due to Azu's manipulation, in her showing Ark's simulations, but yeah these are more of the cast's idiocy rather than Azu's competency....
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(It's also flattening its main themes of combating racism and bigotry by doing a dull revenge plot, but that seems like a minor flaw in comparison. But since we're talking about it: I dislike that larger conversations about how different groups integrate into society gets abandoned for a fridging and dull solo villainy. We're so far off the beam from discussing Humagears as a group of disparate viewpoints, and that sucks.)
The main thing about the series now, isn't Horobi, is Zero-One making the lead Rider fall from grace, something that is quite unique among KR franchise and many'd appreciate that too, despite that it'd even further push away the larger conversation. The end part of the episode was only done to show that Aruto's not brainwashed. Otherwise, regarding Izu's idealistic view and Horobi's nihilistic view, Horobi's view (nihilism) seems to be often viewed as the "mature" view. Those who have faith in human's goodness are ought to "open their eyes" that humans are inherently evil. It's a widespread but mistaken belief that cynicism and nihilism are "intelligence", when as Izu said, in reality, the real problem is learning from biased data; though positivity can be problematic, probably happened here too regarding Aruto's previous sympathy for Horobi, doesn't mean that negativity is the superior view, negativity can be just as biased or "naive" as positivity view. Being objective isn't about twisting anything to negative as much as you can, like some've perceived.
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And even outside of all of that, to see that Horobi?s big plan to liberate Humagears is the exact same shit he was doing in Episode 1? Jesus, why
bother?
I don?t know if the point is to satirize Ark?s boring strategies or Horobi?s complete lack of creativity, but the only way I can see including a MetsubouJinrai revolution this half-assed is as a joke. Horobi finally has a reasonable argument and an actual dream, but it?s the same old horseshit on the battlefield.
Incredibly
disappointing.
I think this part is more compelling than you'd think though (though some idiocy could smear it). What do you expect actually before? How can Horobi accomplish that other than him doing similar shit like the beginning? After all, it's already established that he's still not changed despite fighting Ark. I'd think there's more on Horobi than him doing similar shit as him at the beginning, it's about how he's someone who'd throw his hatred of humanity anywhere, he'd do shit like accusing any Humagears who side with humans as being corrupted by them, killing any human traces even in fellow Humagears, like Izu, as well as him being provoked and enraged at the suggestion of him having human traits, like Izu suggesting him having a heart. That's also a show of hypocrisy that, he accused humans as inherently malicious, yet he claims to have no heart (which is a term usually describing someone malicious).
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Except unlike Phoenix, Horobi actually has a sense of morality and misguidedly believes that committing genocide of humanity is necessary to bring justice to HumaGears, which makes his motivation more similar to Heart Roidmude. Horobi is thinking critically now after reaching singularity and it just happened that he came to the same conclusion as Ark's will, but out of fear instead of hate. He's experienced firsthand the evil in humanity and he only sees Aruto as the exception to the rule. Horobi wants to destroy the hierarchy created by humanity and he doesn't have faith in Aruto's diplomacy to do that.
It's true that, Phoenix is an irredeemable bastard, but while Horobi at first glance sounds like Heart, he's not really like him, he's quite depraved too in his villain stint. Someone that's more like Heart in Zero-One, would be Jin at his revival, before ep. 36. He actually took care of Humagears (even if there's some misguided way in breaking off their relationship with humans) and would at least tolerate humans who'd be benefical to them. Heart sees all Roidmudes as his friends, is enraged at their deaths, mourning and avenging them instead of labeling them as failures... Horobi claims to want a better future for Humagears, but he didn't put that into practice other than his misantrophy. By that, it's not only humans who are threatened by Horobi, fellow Humagears aren't safe from Horobi either. He 's full of hypocrisy and willingly destroys any Humagears who do anything to slight him and dragging them into needless conflicts, mainly humanity-related. Heart and Jin (at the start of revival) actually earned the anti-villain status, but not for Horobi; he develops without changing his morality spectrum.
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